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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
We are not going to come out a better team when we are the ones trading the best player in the trade. Facts. This trade still gives us a dynamic young big in John Collins and a good young player in Heurter who I think would be awesome . Capela is meh but he can fill a gap we will have. It’s a good trade.


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Until we miss the playoffs next year, Don requests out and we're in no mans land.
 
YoungJefe said:
The 4 teams in the conference finals this year started Robert Williams, Kevon Looney, Maxi Kleber, and Bam Adebayo at the 5. Those guys are all smaller centers that can protect the rim but are mobile enough to defend in space. Capela isn't even very good protecting the rim and gets fried in space.

If you want a player like that to replace Rudy you can sign Mitchell Robinson in free agency for a fraction of the price.
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And Maxi is a stretch guy... they also play Powell there too. They are all different but they aren't KAT or AD.... Clint is fine as a rim protector and is a great rebounder. If we don't have Clint we will need a traditional center.

Its easy to say go get Robinson... but we have only the taxpayer MLE and he like gets over the MLE and he's restricted I believe. Plus he's a cat chasing a laser pointer.

I don't need Clint in the deal but he's useful... and the replacement we get is likely to be someone in the Richaun Holmes, Hartenstein, Plumlee group of players. His contract is of a size that you can bench him for other options... because you will still have room to acquire other options. Its a little rich but its not a noose and can be used later when we inevitably do the full rebuild.
 
Cptgrnlngs22 said:
Do you think we would be better off knowing that and also that Don is not long term to go with a Raptors package of OG and Trent Jr., a Bulls package of Vuc P-Will and 18, or a version of the Hawks trade?
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I don't know... I think I like OG the best of any of the players we'd get. I don't think the Chicago thing is real.
 
YoungJefe said:
Until we miss the playoffs next year, Don requests out and we're in no mans land.
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He's going to ask out... this trade really doesn't change that. When he asks out we aren't in no man's land. We enter no man's land once we trade Rudy. We will finally just do a full rebuild when Donovan asks out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And Maxi is a stretch guy... they also play Powell there too. They are all different but they aren't KAT or AD.... Clint is fine as a rim protector and is a great rebounder. If we don't have Clint we will need a traditional center.

Its easy to say go get Robinson... but we have only the taxpayer MLE and he like gets over the MLE and he's restricted I believe. Plus he's a cat chasing a laser pointer.

I don't need Clint in the deal but he's useful... and the replacement we get is likely to be someone in the Richaun Holmes, Hartenstein, Plumlee group of players. His contract is of a size that you can bench him for other options... because you will still have room to acquire other options. Its a little rich but its not a noose and can be used later when we inevitably do the full rebuild.
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We don't need a traditional center, if the Hawks are adamant on not including Hunter I'd need Okongwu
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Are they though? You kind of need at least one... specially to manage the regular season. He isn't ideal but he's not trash.

We won't get better by trading Rudy... unless the pick hits or one of the guys has a huge development step.
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dude the way he's going he'll be trash for what salary he gets
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's going to ask out... this trade really doesn't change that. When he asks out we aren't in no man's land. We enter no man's land once we trade Rudy. We will finally just do a full rebuild when Donovan asks out.
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In order for Donovan to be the social figure and activist he may aspire to be, he may simply need to move to a bigger market, regardless of whether his team is winning a lot of games. I think there's more going on here than basketball. He's trying to be a brand.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
In order for Donovan to be the social figure and activist he may aspire to be, he may simply need to move to a bigger market, regardless of whether his team is winning a lot of games. I think there's more going on here than basketball. He's trying to be a brand.
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You mean him taking BP with the Mets wasn't just help his conditioning for next basketball season?
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
In order for Donovan to be the social figure and activist he may aspire to be, he may simply need to move to a bigger market, regardless of whether his team is winning a lot of games. I think there's more going on here than basketball. He's trying to be a brand.
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The way that you "build a brand" in the NBA is by winning championships and making deep runs in the playoffs.

Kevin Durant, LeBron James, and Giannis all became global icons playing in small markets. The internet changed everything.
 
YoungJefe said:
If we're going to trade Rudy and miss the playoffs we might as well trade both and just get a jump start on the rebuild now. Screw the All-Star game.
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Jazz are in a pickle, championship teams are not built around 6’1 guards as your #1 scoring option. On a championship team, he needs to be a #2 or even #3 scoring option. Similarly they aren’t built around a defensive center with no offensive moves. Jazz won’t do it cos of the damn all star game. But something tells me not cashing in and blowing it all up now will be a mistake. Go get some young talent and draft capital else we will be mediocre for years to come.
 
Cool Runnings said:
Jazz are in a pickle, championship teams are not built around 6’1 guards as your #1 scoring option. On a championship team, he needs to be a #2 or even #3 scoring option. Similarly they aren’t built around a defensive center with no offensive moves. Jazz won’t do it cos of the damn all star game. But something tells me not cashing in and blowing it all up now will be a mistake. Go get some young talent and draft capital else we will be mediocre for years to come.
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I have faith in Danny Ainge, he has shown time and time again that he can build good teams. I just feel like Ryan Smith is overbearing.
 
KqWIN said:
That's a good question. Why are we trading Rudy? If we're trying to win, it is a terrible idea to trade Rudy. But we're discussing a Rudy trade because it seems like it's an inevitability.
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Agree with that. Does not make any sense for me. Unless we go for a rebuild and Don will go as well in one year.
 
Ryan smith is deconstructing the old Jazz of the millers with his own brand. He started in the front office. DL left, Zanick promoted and Ainge brought in. Then coaching staff. Quinn leaves as well as other assistants. I don’t keep up with it but I’m certain some others left via reports. The roster will happen too. He bought the millers jazz team not necessarily the jazz team he wants though.


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YoungJefe said:
I have faith in Danny Ainge, he has shown time and time again that he can build good teams. I just feel like Ryan Smith is overbearing.
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This is my thinking as well. I wish Ryan would just get the hell out of the way and let Ainge do his thing.
 
YoungJefe said:
I'm in the minority but I actually think that we end up keeping Rudy and Don. I just hope that we retool the roster around them.
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I've felt this way for a long time...despite all the noise I think they are both back next season. In fact, I think most of the core will remain intact next season. I hope we are able to pull off multiple trades, but I'm pretty skeptical at this point.
 
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