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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Warriors don't want their first round draft pick. How about we trade our expiring player in Juancho and then swap that first for a future first.
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Their pick is #28. I wouldn't trade it for a first, but I would offer them a pick swap opportunity for next year.

So #28 for their ability to swap places with us next year provided that our pick isn't in the lottery. So if we pick #20 next year and they pick #28 again, we just swap.

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LoPo said:
We don't need to salary dump anybody to do a deal with Philly. We just need to get useful players while they can be had for cheap.

Do we want to build a winner? Thybulle is out there right now. He's a ball stopper and what we need more of. Doesn't matter if we build around Don, Rudy or both - we need more ball stoppers.

You want a good All Star Game experience Ryan so go spend some money. Good teams get more All Stars.

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All-Star weekend is a shell of what it once was, I think the fanbase would enjoy an NBA finals appearance more.
 
Thybulle can't shoot and is worthless in the playoffs. But.. 32.7% doesn't seem that bad. And if he does improve slightly he is Andre Iguadola. He is in a contract year so it could be costly to keep him. Of I was the Jazz I would pick him up and if he stinks this year you let him walk. If he improves then you got an all-star. Geez talk about a low cost high reward move
toddychurch said:
If we could pull that off and then try to trade for Grant from Detroit with the #23 pick attached to Conley.
That’s a pretty athletic bunch and all we gave was Royce, trade exceptions and then that pick with Conley.
Unless I missed something, we keep Mitchell, Bogey, Gobert and Clarkson and add those guys? That sounds pretty good to me personally.
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My dream is to pull that off and find a way to add Jonathan Isaac. Tons of defense all over the place. And then draft Jalen - a 7'2" wingspan on a 6'6" body who can shoot. Dang!
 
LoPo said:
I think adding a defender like Thybulle for nothing helps our chances more than hurts it.

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They aren’t giving him away for nothing. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you give him away for nothing? If they’re really that desperate to unload <$3M of expiring salary for nothing, somebody would have taken him. I don’t care what people are saying about Morey’s hard-on for PJ Tucker and wanting to offer him a full MLE. They could much more easily dump salary elsewhere. If there’s a report that Philadelphia is offering their pick + Thybulle to everyone, it’s because they want something of value or they’re packing it with some other salary that maybe becomes a lateral return.
 
infection said:
They aren’t giving him away for nothing. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you give him away for nothing? If they’re really that desperate to unload <$3M of expiring salary for nothing, somebody would have taken him. I don’t care what people are saying about Morey’s hard-on for PJ Tucker and wanting to offer him a full MLE. They could much more easily dump salary elsewhere. If there’s a report that Philadelphia is offering their pick + Thybulle to everyone, it’s because they want something of value or they’re packing it with some other salary that maybe becomes a lateral return.
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I'm assuming Green has to be attached to it as well.
 
infection said:
They aren’t giving him away for nothing. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you give him away for nothing? If they’re really that desperate to unload QUOTE]

I think Philly would send Thybulle and Korkmaz for the Ingles trade exception. Sure it costs us a lot of money, but do we want to contend or not?

If we did this deal, we could keep Don, Rudy and Bojan. Find a deal for Conley where we shave a little and add even more defense.

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YoungJefe said:
Why don't they just waive him now then? It'd bring them under the tax line.
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Because maybe a better deal comes up… you don’t do that until you have to. You also want to make sure you are going to get the guy you are signing. If you need that salary match later for a better deal you feel dumb. To use MLE they have to get under and stay under the apron… roughly like 5M over the tax iirc.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Because maybe a better deal comes up… you don’t do that until you have to. You also want to make sure you are going to get the guy you are signing. If you need that salary match later for a better deal you feel dumb. To use MLE they have to get under and stay under the apron… roughly like 5M over the tax iirc.
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It's unreal how quiet we've been
 
YoungJefe said:
It's unreal how quiet we've been
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I think they have been in plenty of rumors… nothing big gets done until today… if you haven’t seen a Rudy trade between now and the draft I doubt it happens unless it’s the Toronto deal… which is less reliant on draft compensation.

Mike trade probably doesn’t happen until after FA opens because he likely isn’t the top target. Once teams miss on Brunson and Brogdon.
 
LoPo said:

View: https://twitter.com/MicahAdams13/status/1539629943528759296?s=20&t=UUPqoDrjIObT5A7y99F4OQ


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I’ve criticized this line of trend thinking for a long time, where we look at recent outcomes and correlate certain components of it in hindsight and then declare that _____ is the answer or _____ isn’t how you do things. Most recent example was with us having Deron and everyone saying “you don’t win championships around PGs lolololol.” History was not kind to that take.

The way you win championships is by being able to effectively play the hands you’re dealt and improve your position. Now, if you certainly want to argue why one should or shouldn’t move on from Gobert in that light, have at it, but the simplified “centers loooooooooooool” isn’t the best take.
 
infection said:
I’ve criticized this line of trend thinking for a long time, where we look at recent outcomes and correlate certain components of it in hindsight and then declare that _____ is the answer or _____ isn’t how you do things. Most recent example was with us having Deron and everyone saying “you don’t win championships around PGs lolololol.” History was not kind to that take.
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Yeah but Steph doesn't count. He is an alien or something not even human, so you can't take that into the equation. Now when you look at other recent champs, you have like Irving....oh wait.

But your point is very valid. We are not going to "moneyball" our way to a ring. We can't statistically analyze all previous championship teams to plug into the equation to spit out our winning roster, sans Gobert and sans Mitchell, since short scoring guards and defensive centers don't win championships (except when they do). That is what Quin was trying all along, play the long odds, cater to the stats, work the numbers, and look where that got us.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they have been in plenty of rumors… nothing big gets done until today… if you haven’t seen a Rudy trade between now and the draft I doubt it happens unless it’s the Toronto deal… which is less reliant on draft compensation.

Mike trade probably doesn’t happen until after FA opens because he likely isn’t the top target. Once teams miss on Brunson and Brogdon.
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Only Rudy has been mentioned in trade talks
 
infection said:
I’ve criticized this line of trend thinking for a long time, where we look at recent outcomes and correlate certain components of it in hindsight and then declare that _____ is the answer or _____ isn’t how you do things. Most recent example was with us having Deron and everyone saying “you don’t win championships around PGs lolololol.” History was not kind to that take.

The way you win championships is by being able to effectively play the hands you’re dealt and improve your position. Now, if you certainly want to argue why one should or shouldn’t move on from Gobert in that light, have at it, but the simplified “centers loooooooooooool” isn’t the best take.
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Not to mention that Dray plays a lot of center and teams like Toronto platoon the position with Gasol and Ibaka… or Horford and Rob… who have salary allocations similar to what we pay Rudy. It can be a hindrance but GS also has ownership willing to spend like crazy… so while we offload picks to save a few million they don’t give a rip about paying Wiggins/Klay/Dray more than they are worth because they are truly all in. We would have traded Poole to offload Wiggins salary because if we paid that kind of tax we’d lose the team to another market (inside joke). Ownership is a huge competitive advantage.
 
infection said:
I’ve criticized this line of trend thinking for a long time, where we look at recent outcomes and correlate certain components of it in hindsight and then declare that _____ is the answer or _____ isn’t how you do things. Most recent example was with us having Deron and everyone saying “you don’t win championships around PGs lolololol.” History was not kind to that take.

The way you win championships is by being able to effectively play the hands you’re dealt and improve your position. Now, if you certainly want to argue why one should or shouldn’t move on from Gobert in that light, have at it, but the simplified “centers loooooooooooool” isn’t the best take.
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A high dollar center can win a title, but titles are still won by wings.

Outside of Hakeem and Shaq, how many premier centers have won a title since Kareem? And as for Shaq, it could be argued that he wasn't even the best or most important player for 2 of his 4 titles. So since the 80's, 4 titles have been won by teams with centers as their most important player, and none in the last 20 years?
 
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