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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

KqWIN said:
I'm not sure Hunter is coming back in the trade, so either team is losing a couple of their projected starters. ATL has a much wider variety of assets to get the trade done in different ways. ATL also gets to keep the core structure of their team (Trae PnR) with a massive upgrade at the C position. When thinking about a Trae-Rudy combo, I don't think there's a pairing of star players who cover for each other's weaknesses as well.

ATL is also just a better team than CHI despite the difference in record. Much better point differential. They were the #2 offensive team in the league last year. With Trae and Rudy, I think they are firmly top 10 teams on both ends and potentially top 5 in both.
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I think Chicago can make the biggest gains but agree both should be interested. I get the feeling from Lowe and others that Atlanta isn't as involved currently but things can change. Their view... right or wrong is that Capela gives us some of what Rudy does but at half the price so lets look to do something else. I keep hearing Trae and Clint are also close which probably matters to them as well.

I think the current sentiment... that its Chicago thats the favorite (if we trade him) is likely correct. I don't see an acceptable deal without Williams. I get why they want to keep him but to go from Vuc to Rudy on a team that has good defensive wings... and has deep playoff aspirations... they should go even further than Williams, Vuc, White, 18 if its necessary.
 
The Bulls would have...

Rudy Gobert: 4 yr/$170M (Turning 30, will make $44-46M at 33/34)
DeMar DeRozan: 2 yr/$56M (Going to be 33, known playoff choker)
Zach LaVine: 5 yr/$225M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)
Lonzo Ball: 3 yr/$60M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)

What could possibly go wrong???
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think both teams have made legit offers for Gobert. I think Ainge is holding out, stoking the market, and asking for more. He'll strike when the moment is right. Let's see where we are in 24 hours.
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Or he'll live up to his reputation as "almost Ainge" and won't strike at all.
 
YoungJefe said:
The Bulls would have...

Rudy Gobert: 4 yr/$170M (Turning 30, will make $44-46M at 33/34)
DeMar DeRozan: 2 yr/$56M (Going to be 33, known playoff choker)
Zach LaVine: 5 yr/$225M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)
Lonzo Ball: 3 yr/$60M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)

What could possibly go wrong???
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Paying the same amount for a team that's much worse, or simply not being good. Those are the other options.
 
YoungJefe said:
The Bulls would have...

Rudy Gobert: 4 yr/$170M (Turning 30, will make $44-46M at 33/34)
DeMar DeRozan: 2 yr/$56M (Going to be 33, known playoff choker)
Zach LaVine: 5 yr/$225M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)
Lonzo Ball: 3 yr/$60M (Often injured hasn't shown anything in the playoffs)

What could possibly go wrong???
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Demar has played in 63 playoff games... Trae has played like 21... Derozan couldn't beat Lebron (no one could) and isn't as good in the playoffs... but go compare his numbers to Trae's. He's not a complete dud in the playoffs just because he couldn't get past Lebron lol.

Should they trade Demar, let LaVine walk, and salary dump Lonzo... or should they make an obvious improvement and see what happens? May not work but its a good team on paper if they can get some health luck.
 
YoungJefe said:
Vuc is a FA next summer and they could afford another max deal if they off load Caruso...
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Yeah and they'd maybe land the next Boozer with that space!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Demar has played in 63 playoff games... Trae has played like 21... Derozan couldn't beat Lebron (no one could) and isn't as good in the playoffs... but go compare his numbers to Trae's. He's not a complete dud in the playoffs just because he couldn't get past Lebron lol.

Should they trade Demar, let LaVine walk, and salary dump Lonzo... or should they make an obvious improvement and see what happens? May not work but its a good team on paper if they can get some health luck.
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DeMar is a career 47% shooter and a 41% shooter in the playoffs, his inability to shoot kills him.

No they should keep their roster flexibility open by not committing to a 4 yr/$170M deal.
 
Jingled said:
Or he'll live up to his reputation as "almost Ainge" and won't strike at all.
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I guess we'll see how motivated Ainge is to move Gobert. I think he's fairly motivated. Gobert wasn't someone he brought in, and the coach that built a system around Gobert is now gone.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Chicago can make the biggest gains but agree both should be interested. I get the feeling from Lowe and others that Atlanta isn't as involved currently but things can change. Their view... right or wrong is that Capela gives us some of what Rudy does but at half the price so lets look to do something else. I keep hearing Trae and Clint are also close which probably matters to them as well.

I think the current sentiment... that its Chicago thats the favorite (if we trade him) is likely correct. I don't see an acceptable deal without Williams. I get why they want to keep him but to go from Vuc to Rudy on a team that has good defensive wings... and has deep playoff aspirations... they should go even further than Williams, Vuc, White, 18 if its necessary.
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The Hawks are definitely high on Capela. If they are happy with him, can't do much about that. But Rudy is a massive upgrade and well worth the money even if they don't think so themselves. I also think ATL has the assets to go after Ayton, they are kinda loaded, so they have options besides Rudy that they are probably happy with. Okongu is the third option that might be the best of all of them.

CHI....they don't really have other options to get better. Williams is a good prospect who can get a lot better and/or be used in a different trade, but I don't think there's a realistic option besides Rudy to improve the defense the way they need to. I believe the same is true for ATL....but CHI is in a tougher position with less assets and options.
 
Please tell me who the Bulls are going today sign next year that would be better than Caruso and Gobert together.
 
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