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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

YoungJefe said:
The Pistons are just at the beginning of their rebuild so it may convey or it may not.

Either way the Knicks wonder why they’re always terrible and then pay guys like Randle and Brunson near max money.
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It will convey lol...
 
YoungJefe said:
Dallas has Luka so they also have to think about the long game. If your second max contract dude is Brunson I don’t think it makes it pretty tough to reasonable expect a title.
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They have no way to add another max guy... so instead of Brunson at 5/125M they have nothing. I'm sure Luka will be super happy they let a dude walk to save some money.

They could waive and stretch Bertans or find a home for Powell if they are concerned on the tax. It is really a one year crunch... The warriors wouldn't let the guy walk I'll tell ya that. If the numbers get rough you just trade him later (he's good enough that someone would give some value). Or you trade Dinwiddie/TH later.

They muffed this extension start to finish. Worked out great for the Western Conference.
 
Barrett/Fournier plus their 2023/2025/2027/2029 unprotected firsts and pick swap options in 2024/2026/2028.

They also own these picks too. New York has a **** ton of picks to work with I have no idea what @Hearsky is saying lmao.

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KqWIN said:
I love me some Slow Mo. Will Hardy was also with him in SAS. Whatever direction we go, we need some A+ locker room guys who can hopefully unearth the horrible habits the Jazz have developed over the past couple of years.
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Slow Mo would bring us that playmaker off the bench we severely missed after losing Ingles
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They have no way to add another max guy... so instead of Brunson at 5/125M they have nothing. I'm sure Luka will be super happy they let a dude walk to save some money.

They could waive and stretch Bertans or find a home for Powell if they are concerned on the tax. It is really a one year crunch... The warriors wouldn't let the guy walk I'll tell ya that. If the numbers get rough you just trade him later (he's good enough that someone would give some value). Or you trade Dinwiddie/TH later.

They muffed this extension start to finish. Worked out great for the Western Conference.
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Brunson isn't a max guy and would've limited their flexibility for the next 5 years. I think they'll be fine with Dinwiddie/THJ.

The Warriors don't let guys walk because they've won four titles in 8 years. Dallas has won 2 playoff series since 2011.

Brunson at 5 yr/$125M is hard to move in a trade.
 
YoungJefe said:
Brunson isn't a max guy and would've limited their flexibility for the next 5 years. I think they'll be fine with Dinwiddie/THJ.

The Warriors don't let guys walk because they've won four titles in 8 years. Dallas has won 2 playoff series since 2011.

Brunson at 5 yr/$125M is hard to move in a trade.
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Or do they win title because they don't let guys walk lol. If they had said we will be fine without Russell and not overpaid him they wouldn't have Wiggins... which means they don't win the title this year...

Dallas doesn't have flexibility. If you are Luka all you really care is that Dallas had a chance to build/improve off a team that just lost in the conference finals to the eventual champion... and rather than retain the second best player they had in that run (and a guy who improves every year) they opted to save money. Not to mention the cap is set for another dramatic increase... so its a short term bullet to bite and they said "nah we probably good with Dinwiddie and THJ"
 
YoungJefe said:
Brunson isn't a max guy and would've limited their flexibility for the next 5 years. I think they'll be fine with Dinwiddie/THJ.

The Warriors don't let guys walk because they've won four titles in 8 years. Dallas has won 2 playoff series since 2011.

Brunson at 5 yr/$125M is hard to move in a trade.
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Define what you mean by fine? They literally got worse this off-season. Trust me there are plenty of teams would would sign Brunson for that if they could. He’s likely to be the best version of himself without Luka because he will have the ball more in his hands as the primary playmaker.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Define what you mean by fine? They literally got worse this off-season. Trust me there are plenty of teams would would sign Brunson for that if they could. He’s likely to be the best version of himself without Luka because he will have the ball more in his hands as the primary playmaker.
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There are a lot of teams that would pay Brunson who's a 16/4/4 player $30M+???
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Or do they win title because they don't let guys walk lol. If they had said we will be fine without Russell and not overpaid him they wouldn't have Wiggins... which means they don't win the title this year...

Dallas doesn't have flexibility. If you are Luka all you really care is that Dallas had a chance to build/improve off a team that just lost in the conference finals to the eventual champion... and rather than retain the second best player they had in that run (and a guy who improves every year) they opted to save money. Not to mention the cap is set for another dramatic increase... so its a short term bullet to bite and they said "nah we probably good with Dinwiddie and THJ"
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Going deep in the luxury tax to keep role players around 3 HOFers with multiple championships is basically the same as losing Jalen Brunson.
 
Player A: 15.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.9 apg on 50/40/72 splits
Player B: 16.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 4.8 apg on 50/37/84 splits

Player A is Dinwiddie and B is Brunson. Idk how Dallas will ever recover.
 
YoungJefe said:
Going deep in the luxury tax to keep role players around 3 HOFers with multiple championships is basically the same as losing Jalen Brunson.
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Things don’t have to be perfectly analogous to be relevant. They are opting to surround their superstar player with less talent… and letting the guy walk that is closest to his timeline. A decision the Warriors could have easily made… but they chose to accept the extra talent they could get and figure it out later.

Brunsons deal is fine. He may be less effective as the Man… he may not have the benefit of the spacing their team provides… but he will be solid. If any team is guilty of bad management here I think it is more likely the Mavs… the same team that let future two time mvp walk because they thought his contract was too rich.
 
YoungJefe said:
Player A: 15.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.9 apg on 50/40/72 splits
Player B: 16.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 4.8 apg on 50/37/84 splits

Player A is Dinwiddie and B is Brunson. Idk how Dallas will ever recover.
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Go ahead and use the whole sample instead of cherry picking. It also isn’t an either or situation… they didn’t have to choose between those guys… you can compare Brunsons production this year to what Goran Dragic brings because that is who will replace him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Things don’t have to be perfectly analogous to be relevant. They are opting to surround their superstar player with less talent… and letting the guy walk that is closest to his timeline. A decision the Warriors could have easily made… but they chose to accept the extra talent they could get and figure it out later.

Brunsons deal is fine. He may be less effective as the Man… he may not have the benefit of the spacing their team provides… but he will be solid. If any team is guilty of bad management here I think it is more likely the Mavs… the same team that let future two time mvp walk because they thought his contract was too rich.
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They have Dinwiddie on the roster for like $10M less and his production was almost identical to Brunson's in the regular season. They're also getting THJ back from injury next season.

Dallas is like Atlanta a couple of years back when they got favorable matchups and made a run to the conference finals. They proceeded by giving John Collins a huge deal then other teams got healthy, they came back to earth, and now they're desperate to trade him.

Brunson has had one good playoff run and has largely just been a role player, teams are maxing guys like that out?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Go ahead and use the whole sample instead of cherry picking. It also isn’t an either or situation… they didn’t have to choose between those guys… you can compare Brunsons production this year to what Goran Dragic brings because that is who will replace him.
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Dallas knows that with Brunson on a max they're still like the 4th-5th best team in the West. Why limit your ability to improve for 5 years for a player that has had one good run in the playoffs? He got worse as the playoffs went on and averaged 8 ppg in the playoffs last year...
 
YoungJefe said:
Dallas knows that with Brunson on a max they're still like the 4th-5th best team in the West. Why limit your ability to improve for 5 years for a player that has had one good run in the playoffs? He got worse as the playoffs went on and averaged 8 ppg in the playoffs last year...
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They aren’t limiting themselves by keeping him lol. They won’t have space… Dinwiddie is not nearly as durable… TH JR is like 10 years older than Luka… but by all means… pick those guys over the guy in his mid 20s that improves every year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They aren’t limiting themselves by keeping him lol. They won’t have space… Dinwiddie is not nearly as durable… TH JR is like 10 years older than Luka… but by all means… pick those guys over the guy in his mid 20s that improves every year.
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Having Brunson at $30M for the next 5 years doesn't limit their roster flexibility significantly? They'd have 2 max deals. THJ was under contract already and not close to a max deal. They would've had the highest payroll in the NBA if they resigned Brunson for a team that almost swept in the WCF.
 
Like you guys are really trying to argue that the Mavs should have paid Brunson more than Tatum and Don, what a time to be alive.
 
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