Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[LogGrad98]

Yeah there's lot's of redundancy, especially when you consolidate a dozen posters or so talking about the same subject. Difference is that you have been single handedly responding to the entire group every single time, so you're doing the work of half a dozen posters and it isn't accomplishing anymore than you could by just picking your spots.

Yes there is a lot of redundancy, especially when you put together a dozen posters talking about the same thing. I think the difference is that he has been responding by himself to everyone, every time, so he is acting like 6 posters by himself and it isn't really getting anymore done than if he just picked his battles. Agreed.

 

[Gameface]

At the risk of derailing of this thread, what is "wokeness" exactly.

I think it's a rallying cry as much as anything. Just like "political correctness" and "social justice warrior" have become.

It's this odd view that people who want greater equality, more inclusivity, less hate are somehow pathetic, annoying babies who are destroying us from within because the ideal world is one where equality, fairness, empathy, and inclusivity are vilified and actively eradicated.

 

[LoPo]

At the risk of derailing of this thread, what is "wokeness" exactly.

I'm not touching particular topics of discussion but I'm sick and tired of the entitled "I know more than you do" attitude of the "woke" crowd. On some issues they are right and some maybe not, but it's the arrogance, smugness, etc I'm not a fan of.

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[TheStormofWar]

Thanks for answering. It's just funny because while there is truth in those suppositions, it seems that it's typically the people who ***** about folks being "woke" are the biggest whiners on the face of the planet. Don't care much one way or another, but it's the same folks who ***** about "cancel culture" are, themselves, the most guilty of the practice. All I ask is folks check in the mirror before throwing stones against glass walls.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think it's a rallying cry as much as anything. Just like "political correctness" and "social justice warrior" have become.

It's this odd view that people who want greater equality, more inclusivity, less hate are somehow pathetic, annoying babies who are destroying us from within because the ideal world is one where equality, fairness, empathy, and inclusivity are vilified and actively eradicated.

To be fair, it was also used as an insult not long after the word had begun being used, to point out and ridicule people who didn't "get it" and point out they were not as enlightened as those in the movement if they had a different world-view or opinions on those particular topics. Then it gone turned around and has been used more recently to ridicule people who started out using it as a word to express inclusivity and acceptance, and for some to distance themselves from the movement. So it has gone through a metamorphosis of sorts from a rallying cry to a weapon to a meme, as all social things eventually do. Everything becomes a meme.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Everything becomes a meme.

That's the circle..... the circle of life!

 

[Miggs]

I think it's a rallying cry as much as anything. Just like "political correctness" and "social justice warrior" have become.

It's this odd view that people who want greater equality, more inclusivity, less hate are somehow pathetic, annoying babies who are destroying us from within because the ideal world is one where equality, fairness, empathy, and inclusivity are vilified and actively eradicated.

There’s a difference between what you mentioned and wokeness. The line is fine and yet gray. But when professors get fired for challenging their students who cry foul, when we erect statues of George Floyd like he was some ****ing infallible hero, when a whole generation doesn’t want to flip burgers for $15-20+ an hour (out here at least) because they deserve better, that’s wokeness.

Okay, maybe not the last one but **** those kids and **** their parents even more for allowing them to stay at home, not work, and cry mental health. Newsflash: We all know the world sucks. We all know working sucks. We just choose to be adults.

 

[LogGrad98]

That's the circle..... the circle of jerk!

ftfy

 

[TheStormofWar]

ftfy

Repressing your feelings is bad for your health.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and don't feel obligated to respond to every non-positive mention of Donovan Mitchell. No one is confused about how you feel or what your main points are.

Nah, he must White Knight for Donovan

 

[One Brow]

At the risk of derailing of this thread, what is "wokeness" exactly.

It's a term applied derisively to the notions of being aware of various prejudices and social injustices at work.

 

[GVC]

...when a whole generation doesn’t want to flip burgers for $15-20+ an hour (out here at least) because they deserve better, that’s wokeness.

Oh boy...Despite how much cranky old folks and conservatives like to push this narrative, it's just not true.

For those aged 16 to 24 years, the seasonally adjusted employment rate (employment-population ratio) bottomed out at 44.7% in June 2010. By February 2020, it had increased to 52.5%, and as of June 2022, sits at 51.2%. That's still comfortably below where it was in the 80s and 90s, but there are all sorts of reasons why that's the case.

For those aged 25 to 34, as of June 2022, the employment rate sits at 80.2%, jut shy of the pre-COVID rate of 80.6% in February 2020. It's also close-ish to the historical high of 81.7% in June 2000, and way above the 2010 low of 73.5% (and also muuuuuch further above the recorded historical low of 59.0% in February 1950--single earner households, etc.).

That is to say, employment levels for late-teens and early 20-somethings are relatively high compared to recent history, and employment levels of late 20-somethings and early 30-somethings are moving toward historical highs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sorry to interrupt this fun convo… but the thing to watch is the Ayton deal. I am fairly sure Indiana is waiting until tomorrow to offer up a contract as that is when they have the space to do so… so in 24 hours stuff should start falling. We might actually see some action ahead of that today… I really hope so at least.

 

[One Brow]

But when professors get fired for challenging their students who cry foul, when we erect statues of George Floyd like he was some ****ing infallible hero, when a whole generation doesn’t want to flip burgers for $15-20+ an hour (out here at least) because they deserve better, that’s wokeness.

Okay, maybe not the last one but **** those kids and **** their parents even more for allowing them to stay at home, not work, and cry mental health. Newsflash: We all know the world sucks. We all know working sucks. We just choose to be adults.

How thoroughly can we derail this thread?

Professors don't get fired for challenging their students, and no one thinks Floyd is someone for their children to imitate. I don't recall the college grads of the 1980s being all that happy to flip burgers, and hearing from the older adults how spoiled we were.

We learn to be adults, and it doesn't happen because you graduate some school or another. Each person learns how to be an adult on their own timeline.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Sorry to interrupt this fun convo… but the thing to watch is the Ayton deal. I am fairly sure Indiana is waiting until tomorrow to offer up a contract as that is when they have the space to do so… so in 24 hours stuff should start falling. We might actually see some action ahead of that today… I really hope so at least.

Makes sense.

 

[One Brow]

Sorry to interrupt this fun convo… but the thing to watch is the Ayton deal. I am fairly sure Indiana is waiting until tomorrow to offer up a contract as that is when they have the space to do so… so in 24 hours stuff should start falling. We might actually see some action ahead of that today… I really hope so at least.

I can't believe your talking about NBAs trades in a thread about NBA trades. Are you even human?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Makes sense.

Would be truly hilarious if we are all talking Nets, Heat, Phoenix… and then Indiana comes off the top rope as the agent of chaos and just offers Ayton a deal and he signs it.

 

[LogGrad98]

How thoroughly can we derail this thread?

Professors don't get fired for challenging their students, and no one thinks Floyd is someone for their children to imitate. I don't recall the college grads of the 1980s being all that happy to flip burgers, and hearing from the older adults how spoiled we were.

We learn to be adults, and it doesn't happen because you graduate some school or another. Each person learns how to be an adult on their own timeline.

Some, maybe many, never do.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Would be truly hilarious if we are all talking Nets, Heat, Phoenix… and then Indiana comes off the top rope as the agent of chaos and just offers Ayton a deal and he signs it.

Some GMs just want to watch the world burn.

 

[Miggs]

Oh boy...Despite how much cranky old folks and conservatives like to push this narrative, it's just not true.

For those aged 16 to 24 years, the seasonally adjusted employment rate (employment-population ratio) bottomed out at 44.7% in June 2010. By February 2020, it had increased to 52.5%, and as of June 2022, sits at 51.2%. That's still comfortably below where it was in the 80s and 90s, but there are all sorts of reasons why that's the case.

For those aged 25 to 34, as of June 2022, the employment rate sits at 80.2%, jut shy of the pre-COVID rate of 80.6% in February 2020. It's also close-ish to the historical high of 81.7% in June 2000, and way above the 2010 low of 73.5% (and also muuuuuch further above the recorded historical low of 59.0% in February 1950--single earner households, etc.).

That is to say, employment levels for late-teens and early 20-somethings are relatively high compared to recent history, and employment levels of late 20-somethings and early 30-somethings are moving toward historical highs.

One, I’m only fiscally conservative. I voted Biden.

That said, this is interesting. I looked at other data too (U-6 info which to me is a better indicator) and that along with some other analytics all point to what you said. Unemployment is at a low that mirrors all-time lows over the last 25 years basically.

So my question is, why is there this narrative about how businesses can’t find employees? While you label it some conservative narrative, I’d disagree. The media, predominantly liberal, has been shoving this down our throats for a long time. But that’s neither here nor there. I’m curious why there seems to be a genuine shortage of employees—this isn’t just some made up narrative. I see it all the time when I go out…business owners or managers apologizing and the like for “taking too long” because they can’t find people.

So I just wondered how many small businesses there are in this country and whether it’s increased over the last year or two. And yep, from 2017-2021, the number of small businesses increased 9.8%. Look at the population of this country and it has not increased even close to that percentage since 2017. So in essence, the number of people is fine. We just have too many damn small businesses. I guess it’ll be survival of the fittest.