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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Jingled said:

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If they get that, I’m excited to watch the ensuing apologetics from both fans and media personnel on how 1) that deal wasn’t available then and 2) something something Olynyk value and 3) Bojan’s value went up now that he got an extension that we couldn’t/wouldn’t give and 4) the draft pick they got really isn’t good anyway and 5) it’s Detroit lol and 6) we have tons of picks already and 7) nobody could have ever predicted that [insert team] would be that stupid and offer that and 8) first round picks don’t typically pan out anyway and 9) the value of the Euro has dropped relative to USD and that hadn’t happened yet when we traded him so it totally reset value that nobody could have seen coming and 10) we could probably deal Olynyk for a better pick on draft night and 11) etc. and 12) etc. and 13) trading for Olynyk made sense because everyone is just a keyboard GM.
 
fishonjazz said:
I still believe that we were planning on tanking but were surprised (like everyone) with our great start.
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I might argue that if DA was planning to tank he wouldn't have traded for a journeyman vet such as KO. He's fallen off a cliff recently but his shooting did help keep them in games at the beginning of the season.

Maybe it's all hearsay but it also bugged me to read about all the supposed interest in Bog and the high price Detroit is now asking. If Danny was going to basically give him away he should've at least sent him to a team that wasn't going to flip him at the deadline. It likely makes it more difficult to sell their wares for value when there are other quality pieces like Bog on the trade block.
 
HeatCheck said:
I might argue that if DA was planning to tank he wouldn't have traded for a journeyman vet such as KO. He's fallen off a cliff recently but his shooting did help keep them in games at the beginning of the season.

Maybe it's all hearsay but it also bugged me to read about all the supposed interest in Bog and the high price Detroit is now asking. If Danny was going to basically give him away he should've at least sent him to a team that wasn't going to flip him at the deadline. It likely makes it more difficult to sell their wares for value when there are other quality pieces like Bog on the trade block.
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Some of us complained that Detroit would do exactly that.
 
infection said:
If they get that, I’m excited to watch the ensuing apologetics from both fans and media personnel on how 1) that deal wasn’t available then and 2) something something Olynyk value and 3) Bojan’s value went up now that he got an extension that we couldn’t/wouldn’t give and 4) the draft pick they got really isn’t good anyway and 5) it’s Detroit lol and 6) we have tons of picks already and 7) nobody could have ever predicted that [insert team] would be that stupid and offer that and 8) first round picks don’t typically pan out anyway and 9) the value of the Euro has dropped relative to USD and that hadn’t happened yet when we traded him so it totally reset value that nobody could have seen coming and 10) we could probably deal Olynyk for a better pick on draft night and 11) etc. and 12) etc. and 13) trading for Olynyk made sense because everyone is just a keyboard GM.
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I think that we had an agreement with Bojan that we would trade him before training camp, and we took the most financially beneficial trade for Ryan that we could get. The fact that we couldn't even extract a second out of that deal shows that we were pretty committed to both things and weren't in a position of leverage.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I think that we had an agreement with Bojan that we would trade him before training camp, and we took the most financially beneficial trade for Ryan that we could get. The fact that we couldn't even extract a second out of that deal shows that we were pretty committed to both things and weren't in a position of leverage.
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Why would we have an agreement with Bojan and, if we did, why were we obligated to compromise our own position for a verbal agreement to a player that has no bearing? It doesn't sound very Ainge-like and, if true, would be the first documented time he's ever done something like that, with lots of other very specific scenarios going the other way. I wouldn't doubt that some would push that narrative after the fact, though, where there's a vacuum of rational answers on why the deal was made that "Ainge being a gentleman" is able to occupy that space.
 
David Hume said:
Note on John Collins: He has a player option in 2025. I have no interest in giving up draft picks for a guy that could bug out in 2.5 years.
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With that logic we won’t be in the market for anyone besides young guys who will be restricted free agents.
 
Trading Bogey for KO was not a tanking move it was rounding out the roster. We didn't have real center option. Kessler was an unknown rookie and the team didn't even pick up Doks option. I am wasn't a fan of the trade but I think DA was high on ko so here we are.

I also don't think anyone expected Bogey to have a career best season at his age.

We would be a better team with Bogey though. He also would be a better trade chip now.
 
infection said:
Why would we have an agreement with Bojan and, if we did, why were we obligated to compromise our own position for a verbal agreement to a player that has no bearing? It doesn't sound very Ainge-like and, if true, would be the first documented time he's ever done something like that, with lots of other very specific scenarios going the other way. I wouldn't doubt that some would push that narrative after the fact, though, where there's a vacuum of rational answers on why the deal was made that "Ainge being a gentleman" is able to occupy that space.
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That's what I remember being reported when the trade happened, but like you said, could have been a narrative that was just being pushed.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I also don't think anyone expected Bogey to have a career best season at his age.
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I'm not sure this is accurate. His efficiency is up a bit, but he's just doing what he has done, with the exception that he's moving onto a bad team where there's more offensive vacuum for him to fill. If people are surprised about his numbers this year, I don't think they can be that surprised. And if people are surprised, what, exactly, were they expecting his output to be?
 
Bodhi said:
How come sometimes you do the David Hume "bit" and other times you dont?
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Good question. Not to worry, I’ve never been diagnosed with schizophrenia or anything similar. I enjoy JazzFanz and lack the experience playing high school or college basketball and have no experience scouting or officiating. (When I was in Spanish Language School in Guatemala summer 1992 my team won the town of Antigua Language Schools tournament with me as starting center (Nickname : La Montana, due to my towering 6’2” height)but that’s it. So I try to keep things light with what is amusing ( to me), Hume impersonations, and try to make more substantive contributions during the mock drafts, which I love.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Trading Bogey for KO was not a tanking move it was rounding out the roster. We didn't have real center option. Kessler was an unknown rookie and the team didn't even pick up Doks option. I am wasn't a fan of the trade but I think DA was high on ko so here we are.

I also don't think anyone expected Bogey to have a career best season at his age.

We would be a better team with Bogey though. He also would be a better trade chip now.
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Lets get something straight... it was a rounding out the roster meh move... but it was also a save $5M and now we don't have to worry about bumping up against the tax move.

I didn't like the move at all because of the things others have stated. I also think having a roster hole would make us a better tanking candidate. KO filled the biggest roster hole and yes is the worse trade asset.

We need to tank. Its time to sell off KO/JC/Vando (Conley if you can) and ensure we don't end up 11-14 ish. We have to do something that will hurt a little but there should be adequate deals out there for one or all of those guys. Its time to stop effing around... we aren't a 10-3 juggernaut... we are super mid.
 
fishonjazz said:
I still believe that we were planning on tanking but were surprised (like everyone) with our great start.
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IF you are planning on tanking you dont go out and get KO.

Andy Larsen hinted at some kind of promise to Bogey's camp he would get traded. I
 
And Bogey/Lauri would have gotten in each other's way on offense and been too redundant to let Lauri fully spread his wings.

The trade was a good move overall because it let our best player develop to his max potential
 
It's always strange to me when we discuss the Bogey deal that people cant wrap their heads around multiple things being true.

I think all the following are true:

1. Obviously it was a money saving move. (on the list of importance, this might be the highest)
2. The Jazz probably did make a promise they would move Bogey (because they probably knew they needed to do it to save money. Utah probably also didnt want to extend him at the price he wanted, Bogey have a career year is surprising)
3. The Jazz needed to move Bogey because him and Lauri are positionally redundant and would have made it harder to feature Lauri
4. KO is Danny's son
5. The Jazz badly needed a center
6. The Jazz badly needed passing
7. KO's deal is a versatile trade piece. 12 million is a good amount for matching salaries. Gives the Jazz a large array of different sized salaries, and he is only partially guaranteed for next year. It's a very flexible asset.
 
HeatCheck said:
I might argue that if DA was planning to tank he wouldn't have traded for a journeyman vet such as KO. He's fallen off a cliff recently but his shooting did help keep them in games at the beginning of the season.

Maybe it's all hearsay but it also bugged me to read about all the supposed interest in Bog and the high price Detroit is now asking. If Danny was going to basically give him away he should've at least sent him to a team that wasn't going to flip him at the deadline. It likely makes it more difficult to sell their wares for value when there are other quality pieces like Bog on the trade block.
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I simply look at it like: Bogey > olynyk
 
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