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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
I think if Mike goes to the Clips its because DA either loves Kennard (maybe he thinks there is more there) or got a first. If I squint I can see a Kennard/Wall/Coffey deal with a 1st round pick swap this year and some other seconds. It also might mean we found something for Malik and maybe shopped Coffey for something... like could you route Coffey to Phoenix with Vando for Crowder (Crowder goes elsewhere) and maybe a protected first?

I think I'm seeing enough motivation and pieces there but its kinda a bunch of moving parts.
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There is real value in a pick swap between the Clippers pick and the Brooklyn/Philly pick. I think OKC has first dibs on that pick so I am not sure how that works. Turning a 25 to a 16 in this draft would be fantastic!
 
Bodhi said:
Really? That would stink IMO. You'd HAVE to throw in LK to make that even taste good at all, and I'd even want Brandon Boston along with Kennard and whatever crap vet salary filler along with the swap.

No battle.
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If we wanted cap space and we wanted to suck (I am not sure we want either but I also wouldn't think we would want THT so...). I think Boston and other stuff could certainly get worked in there. The second year on Conley's deal has seemed to be a bit of a millstone.
 
framer said:
There is real value in a pick swap between the Clippers pick and the Brooklyn/Philly pick. I think OKC has first dibs on that pick so I am not sure how that works. Turning a 25 to a 16 in this draft would be fantastic!
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Yeah... it kinda protects it from getting too great but even if you jump from 27 to 20/21 its meaningful imo. OKC has the right to swap picks... so if Clips tanked to below where the Thunder are we would then swap picks with the Thunder. Either way I think you are looking at moving up at least 5 spots. Maybe more like 8 or 9 as Philly is rolling right now and Clips may stay in their current place.
 
So I guess it could end up Kennard/Wall (expiring), Coffey (cheap wing) for Mike and then we get a pick swap this year and a couple seconds in 28/29. That is really a tank move... so would move us down the standings significantly... would need to factor that in. I would think a Beasley move would follow.
 
Does Olynyk for Robinson get us a second rounder? I’d make them eat Gay in the deal. Then move Beasley to wherever you can get a first. And Vando.

And then do that Clippers deal.
 
If you did the clippers deal we are like 1.5 games out of the 8th spot. It would likely send us spiraling a bit. IF we did not spiral it is because Collin or NAW or THT emerged as a viable starting option... so kind of a win win.
 
I’m sure someone has mentioned this, but we should get in a three way where Olynyk and Crowder go to Miami, Beasley goes to Phoenix, and we get firsts from both teams.
 
Clips schedule is brutal before AS break. I'd grab that pick swap now if we really want it and if its on the table.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If you did the clippers deal we are like 1.5 games out of the 8th spot. It would likely send us spiraling a bit. IF we did not spiral it is because Collin or NAW or THT emerged as a viable starting option... so kind of a win win.
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I honestly don’t think we drop much if Conley is traded. But I think the increased opportunity for Sexton/NAW/THT/Ochai is more important than whatever development gains we have from Conley being around and the W/L is the least important factor.

NAW has actually been a pleasant surprise this year, I wish he wasn’t getting squeezed out. He’s kinda like Niang 2.0 but we need to seize the opportunity to get him on a long term allow money deal.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Sexton has averaged 17/5/2 on 55/39/87 shooting in 10 games as a starter this year. I think he is more than capable of being the starting PG when the time comes.
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I’m a big Sexton fan and agree he’s much better than most give him credit for.

That said, he had that one game mid-way through this year where he really focused on facilitating and getting the offense working. But just that once.

I know he can, just gotta see more, OR put him with a bigger, facilitator, 2 guard like an Ingles type….or Anthony Black.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Sexton has averaged 17/5/2 on 55/39/87 shooting in 10 games as a starter this year. I think he is more than capable of being the starting PG when the time comes.
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I don’t think he’s ever going to be the guy you want starting, but it’s worth finding out and giving him more opportunity will only boost his stock.

The alternative is we play Conley, log gam the guard situation, and maybe we win more games. The starting lineup was dominating with Sexton so there’s no guarantee we are actually worse without Conley.

I’m way more inclined to see explore what we have with Sexton than to see what we can salvage with Conley.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Sexton has averaged 17/5/2 on 55/39/87 shooting in 10 games as a starter this year. I think he is more than capable of being the starting PG when the time comes.
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I think in the long term the Jazz will focus heavily on positional size in the starting lineup and will want a bigger point guard. He will definitely work in the short term if Mike is traded.
 
Jingled said:
I think in the long term the Jazz will focus heavily on positional size in the starting lineup and will want a bigger point guard. He will definitely work in the short term if Mike is traded.
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If a 6’2 PG is your shortest player it’s not a problem at all.
 
KqWIN said:
I honestly don’t think we drop much if Conley is traded. But I think the increased opportunity for Sexton/NAW/THT/Ochai is more important than whatever development gains we have from Conley being around and the W/L is the least important factor.

NAW has actually been a pleasant surprise this year, I wish he wasn’t getting squeezed out. He’s kinda like Niang 2.0 but we need to seize the opportunity to get him on a long term allow money deal.
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Disagree on Mike. I think we'd slide pretty hard. We are like 4-6 I believe with Sexton as a starter... one of the wins was the miracle GS game. I think NAW was on fire during that stretch so we may not have felt the full brunt of the injury. With the way Mike is currently playing his loss will be felt. Dev time for those guys is important so I'd agree there... and if we didn't fall off we will have learned something.

I don't think NAW is quite as good of a shooter as his percentages have been thus far but agree we should lock him up and it would be good to kick the tires a bit more. He could be a solid long term value play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Disagree on Mike. I think we'd slide pretty hard. We are like 4-6 I believe with Sexton as a starter... one of the wins was the miracle GS game. I think NAW was on fire during that stretch so we may not have felt the full brunt of the injury. With the way Mike is currently playing his loss will be felt. Dev time for those guys is important so I'd agree there... and if we didn't fall off we will have learned something.

I don't think NAW is quite as good of a shooter as his percentages have been thus far but agree we should lock him up and it would be good to kick the tires a bit more. He could be a solid long term value play.
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It's unbelievable how underrated Mike is.
 
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