Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Elizah Huge]

Isn’t he like 5’6”? That would be a good foot under what some people are wanting.

That is correct. We can’t have anyone under 6’5 going forward.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have to say, as the deadline approaches, I'm more and more on the fence about trading Mike away. At the start of the season I thought he would have a good season, and my hope is he would play his way in to netting us some assets. Now, I feel like I would miss the way our offense looks when he is playing too much. I also like the idea of drafting Cason Wallace or Anthony Black and having Mike mentor them for a season/half season.

I do think he helps us win games, and so I think the balance is:

assets we can get for him + better draft position + cap space + development time for NAW/THT - aesthetically pleasing basketball - mentorship - losing a good human being from our team

One way to look at it is like this: If our offense gets incredibly worse and we suck as a team without Mike Conley then that means we are gonna need a lot of help soon (due to mikes age) so might as well trade him and take the hit while increasing our draft pick to get us the help we will need anyways regardless of whether we trade Mike or not.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who becomes the primary ball handler if we trade Mike? That'd be my biggest concern.

Who becomes the primary ball handler long term when mike is gone anyways in the future. Might as well figure that our right now in this season. If sexton or THT or clarkson or NAW do a great job then cool. If they suck and we lose more games because of mikes absence then cool. We now have a better pick to draft the primary ball handler to replace Mike that we will eventually need anyway whether mike is traded or not.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

That is correct. We can’t have anyone under 6’5 going forward.

The great Toronto experiment.

In other news, the heel turn on Nick Nurse's public perception this year has been drastic, similar to Brad Stevens two years ago and Sean McVay. Still think he is a good coach, but we are so quick to label someone a wunderkind, when they can be on the hot seat within a season

 

[whatthe]

Would you trade Kessler if it got you the 2 Lakers picks? I think I would if I could move everyone else I wanted to move. That would crater the defense and the loses would pile on.

 

[fishonjazz]

Like during the draft next season we might have some hard decisions on who to draft. There might be a good point guard available and some good wings and bigs available when we are picking. Might make the decision easier if we have already seen what we look like without mike. Lets say missing mike exposes how badly we need a lead ball handler. Awesome! Now we know we should draft a good lead ball handler. Lets see NAW or Sexton or someone looks great in that role. Awesome! Now we know that is not a position of need so we take a wing or whatever. Plus we should get assets in a conley trade so that is another bonus.

 

[fishonjazz]

Would you trade Kessler if it got you the 2 Lakers picks? I think I would if I could move everyone else I wanted to move. That would crater the defense and the loses would pile on.

Good question. I dont have an answer. If I knew where the picks were to land then I would have an answer. Like I put Kesslers value as a top 5-10 pick (I think he is a rookie of the year type player with his production this season). So those Lakers picks would have to be very very good.

 

[whatthe]

There's a chance that the Lakers would reset quickly and the picks could be garbage but the two years before the whole league would fantasize about them and could be used in other trades. Hmm, if Kessler developed a shot then that's an just under an Jokic type of player but with an emphasis on the interior game...maybe not trade, but maybe I do...if we could get Victor somehow.

Good question. I dont have an answer. If I knew where the picks were to land then I would have an answer. Like I put Kesslers value as a top 5-10 pick (I think he is a rookie of the year type player with his production this season). So those Lakers picks would have to be very very good.

 

[KqWIN]

I have been wondering if maybe NAW is getting ****ed because we dont want him to play too good cause we want to sign hin to a cheap deal. I dont know his contract situation though


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My hunch is that just like Niang, he would commit to a longer term deal at just above the minimum. Niang was a more established player, so I think you could get NAW with a non-guaranteed year as well. If we could lock down NAW for something like 3/$12M with the last year being non guaranteed I would love it. You’ve got to have some cheap role players on roster.

 

[#UJ4ever]

Would you trade Kessler if it got you the 2 Lakers picks? I think I would if I could move everyone else I wanted to move. That would crater the defense and the loses would pile on.

While those Laker picks might end up being very good, 2027 and 2029 is to me too far away. Kessler is good now and I would say projects as a decent NBA starter. Rolling the dice that either or both those future picks would be at least as good as he is I feel a bad bet. I also would hope by 2027 and certainly by 2029 that the Jazz would be legit title contenders. I don't think the Lakers are wanting Kessler right now anyway.

 

[Bodhi]

Overall your assessment is definitely fair. The funny thing is I’ve been one of if not the biggest Conley defenders on here the last few years.

I threw out an initial take on Sexton based on my eye test and it seems like it may be closer than I thought or leaning towards Conley a little. I will keep an eye on this going forward.

What's going on here? You're..........ummm........open to having your mind changed and not quadrupling down on a take just to be right?

I'm not a mod but im almost certain this type of behavior isn't allowed on JazzFanz.

"MODZZ!!!!!!!!"

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Would you trade Kessler if it got you the 2 Lakers picks? I think I would if I could move everyone else I wanted to move. That would crater the defense and the loses would pile on.

I think it's too early to trade Kessler, imo. I'd give him another year or two to see what he can become. It's one thing if we have an All Star talent coming in at the 5, but we don't.

 

[LogGrad98]

I guess he would fit in with the "win now" mode. But are Collins/Lauri/Kessler trio ready to make a run at the Chip?

Then again, I guess the West is really wide open now right?

If not Collins, who else that's available to be had via trade or FA that would fit the bill?

The problem is none of them are true #1 material as of yet. As a group, added to a real #1 option, then yeah we would be solid contenders at the very least. But I do not think Lauri is at that level yet. Not many teams without a consensus top 10 player win rings. It can happen, but it is pretty damn rare. Would need to be solid at all positions and at least 4 deep on the bench, like the Piston's teem in the mid-ought's.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Isn’t he like 5’6”? That would be a good foot under what some people are wanting.

He’s bigger than that and is a good defender… I worry more about durability than size. Not saying it’s something I’d do but Ainge may have a bead on some replacement pg either in the draft or FA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The great Toronto experiment.

In other news, the heel turn on Nick Nurse's public perception this year has been drastic, similar to Brad Stevens two years ago and Sean McVay. Still think he is a good coach, but we are so quick to label someone a wunderkind, when they can be on the hot seat within a season

They are a mess… I do think Massai deserves some of that stink but yeah… Nurse may have gone too far from normal basketball.

 

[infection]

He’s bigger than that and is a good defender… I worry more about durability than size. Not saying it’s something I’d do but Ainge may have a bead on some replacement pg either in the draft or FA.

Yeah, I don't think he was 5'6". I did, however, think he was 5'11" but after looking him up I'm pretty sure it's Jalen Brunson I'm confusing him with.

ETA: damn, Brunson is 6'1". Who's the guy who's 5'11"?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

We're reportedly still interested in John Collins but I'm not sure how he fits with Lauri / Kessler

My biggest fear is he’s regressed so much this year, and he has the contract he has. That alone hurts the jazz future big time. Would he be better with the jazz? I think so, but how much better. He might be better than Vando now, but Vando is a player in progression, I think he’s one of those players in a slow progression, but IMO he will continue to progress into a very good player. Mark my words he will be a far better player than Collins. I could be wrong but that’s what my gut tells me. It would be a huge mistake to trade him. He can help us lose now and win later.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, I don't think he was 5'6". I did, however, think he was 5'11" but after looking him up I'm pretty sure it's Jalen Brunson I'm confusing him with.

ETA: damn, Brunson is 6'1". Who's the guy who's 5'11"?

I think FVV is likely right around Brunson size... He's an MFer on defense though. He's super smart... but he has durability concerns and when he is dinged up it really affects his performance.

There could be other guys DA has in mind of course. Threw that name out as one of the bigger FA that is likely changing teams in the next 7 months.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My biggest fear is he’s regressed so much this year, and he has the contract he has. That alone hurts the jazz future big time. Would he be better with the jazz? I think so, but how much better. He might be better than Vando now, but Vando is a player in progression, I think he’s one of those players in a slow progression, but IMO he will continue to progress into a very good player. Mark my words he will be a far better player than Collins. I could be wrong but that’s what my gut tells me. It would be a huge mistake to trade him. He can help us lose now and win later.

The impression I get from multiple media types... both local and national... We are interested in Collins but not super interested... we are only interested if we get a pick too. It was described as he's a guy we like but not a guy we are targeting if that makes sense. I think Ainge has zero problem walking away if he doesn't get a pick. I think he smells blood in the water in Atlanta.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Overall your assessment is definitely fair. The funny thing is I’ve been one of if not the biggest Conley defenders on here the last few years.

There are nights I get frustrated with Conley cuz guys are shooting over and through him... he's limited. Against the Hornets the other night he had like a 2 minute stretch where he was a terror on defense and I was like... Holy hell where has this been. Mike's great at maneuvering through screens and generally staying in front... he knows where to be. Sexton drifts in no mans land off ball too much still and sometimes for seemingly no reason. I think he also gets into guys and is really annoying when he is on ball. I don't think either guy is worse than Beasley on defense.

The biggest loss when it comes to Mike on court is we have a bunch of guys that tend to skew more towards creating shots for themselves... I wouldn't say selfish... but we have guys that I think prefer to score than set up guys. Removing Mike may create a semi-toxic dynamic there. If you traded Mike and got Kennard I'd definitely move Beasley too. I think that could help. I also think if Collin is playing more minutes he could be more ball movement oriented as he knows he will have his opportunities.