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I also think you could do a Gay/Beasley for Fournier/Toppin plus a first swap. I know certain posters hate Fournier... he's a reclamation project for sure.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I do too. Would you want him instead of a first?
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I'd want a swap from the Clips and would probably take Toppin over the ****** protected Wiz first that NY has (I doubt we'd get the Dallas one).
 
Beasley/Vanderbilt for Rose/Toppin works as well. We could get a pick added and then just buyout Rose.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'd rather have Hartenstein than Toppin if that's possible
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I'm just not worried about a backup 5 at all. Its possible of course. Toppin is mildly intriguing to me. I did look at his pick and roll stats... and you'd think he'd be good there... but he's not great and he's hardly ever done it. Maybe its there but you'd think he'd be a decent roll man. Maybe he just sucks at it.
 
Can someone tell me why would want to trade Beasley or Vando for players like Kennard?

Why wouldn't we just keep them instead of taking back worse players with no picks?
 
Shad said:
Can someone tell me why would want to trade Beasley or Vando for players like Kennard?

Why wouldn't we just keep them instead of taking back worse players with no picks?
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I can’t. Jazz should still be in asset collection mode right now. They should do everything they can to flip Conley, Clarkson (minus an extension before the deadline), Beasley, Olynyk and Vando for picks or pick swaps. Moving up from the Nets/76ers pick into the late teens/early 20’s should be our priority. I want to maximize their ability to add key rotational players with huge upside starting next year. That way they’re playing at a high level when Lauri hits his prime.
 
juds101 said:
Jazz should really go trade for fvv. He’s only 28. Yea he wants to get paid but he would be fantastic on this Jazz team.
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No thanks. He already turned down a 4/$115 mil extension from Toronto which just seems like crazy money. If Ainge were to pursue anyone on the Raps I'd prefer it be Anunoby who is 6'-7" and has another year left on his contract. He would cost a few picks from their warchest.

FVV, OG, Trent Jr, and Clarkson all represented by Klutch Sports and will all get huge contracts.
 
HeatCheck said:
No thanks. He already turned down a 4/$115 mil extension from Toronto which just seems like crazy money. If Ainge were to pursue anyone on the Raps I'd prefer it be Anunoby who is 6'-7" and has another year left on his contract. He would cost a few picks from their warchest.

FVV, OG, Trent Jr, and Clarkson all represented by Klutch Sports and will all get huge contracts.
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The Clarkson/Klutch connection makes me lean towards trading him before the deadline if there’s not an extension worked out and signed. I love JC, but it’s super risky to sign him long therm to big money.
 
All of the reading between the lines suggests that Collins is positive culture guy who is not meshing with the bad culture the Hawks have cultivated around Trae Young. I don’t think Collins is the ideal 4 of the future, but I’m confident we will receive a better player than the value it takes to get him.

I think the Jazz should be weary about taking on long term money because of the golden window they have with Lauri+Kessler on low numbers, but the cap is clean enough that I would still take a shot at Collins.

I think the Jazz continue to flip assets, gain picks/increase player values than make a splash in either the summer of 25 or 26.

Kessler
Lauri
Siakam/OG (FA)
Star player (trade the farm)
Quickley/Tyus (FA)

That’s a really good team if they can pull it off. Just gotta keep making positive move and keeping 5 in the chamber (first round picks) for when the next disgruntled star wants out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think NO gets this desperate... but I wonder if Daniels or Herb Jones could be available if we took Grahamn and maybe gave them the Philly pick with Beasley? I think they are high on both guys but both will get squeezed for minutes when Zion is back and long term I don't know how they keep all their guys.
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I really doubt it, but if any it would've been Herb Jones. He's just got one year left on his rookie deal, so that's another player they'll need to pay shortly. They'll probably sign EJ Liddell on a cheap next season (2-way now, out with ACL), and they might waive Garret Temple, but they look at luxury tax going forward.
 
IMO there's one really big bullet left to be dodged this season, and that's trading for John Collins.

If we bring him in, he's obviously a big minute starter. And he will immediately end the All Star Lauri Era. Hear me out.

Collins would likely take over the high pick setter / roll man role from Kessler and push Walker back to the bench. The only way these two can co-exist in the same starting lineup is if Collins stands in the corner in a spacing-heavy, small-usage modern PF role, as he's certainly no SF. And I see him throwing a tantrum if it comes to that, as it's precisely the role he's trying to get away from in Atlanta. He wants touches, he wants to be a lob finisher. That's what brought him success early in his career.

Also, that three big lineup would feature Lauri in a straight up SF role, and that's a bad idea - a big part of his success this season has been punishing smaller defenders near the basket. We're already seeing less of that now that Kessler is clogging the paint to an extent, and it would only get more pronounced with Collins (and his defender) hanging near the dunker's spot too. You can talk about Markkanen as a "perimeter big" as much as you want, but the fact is that the only real advantage he has there is shooting over smaller guys. In other words, the same limiting role both Chicago (and to a lesser extent Cleveland) used him in. We don't want that now that we've seen what he can do when he roams around. As a pure SF, playing with two other bigs, he wouldn't be able to drive past many of his defenders and there wouldn't be space for that either as long as Kessler remains a non-shooter who can't draw his defender away from the hoop.

By necessity, Lauri would become even more of an opportunistic scorer than he is now, surviving on other peoples' scraps.

I'm not saying no to a three big lineup as a basic idea (the current iteration is not the real thing, as Olynyk plays much smaller than he is), but the guy we need to complement Lauri and Kessler in that scenario needs to be a better outside shooter than Collins and someone who doesn't need the ball but is comfortable spacing the floor in the corner. Collins is a square peg in a round hole. Lauri has a natural tendency to start floating on the weak side and disappearing if he senses the court is badly spaced, and at this point, we want to avoid a situation like that at all costs because it would be a gigantic waste. He should never again be used in such a narrow way.

So, to sum up... would we be comfortable benching Kessler in favor of Collins? Will Kessler develop a jump shot? Is it even essential for this team that Lauri remains a 20+ point scorer? These are some of the questions that need to be answered. Just trading for Collins (and his stupid contract) and hoping for the best doesn't make sense.
 
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