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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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He is. Even Danny has been asking for just 1 pick with him while giving away 2 guys he has declared worth FRP each.
YoungJefe
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He wants a FRP to take Collins contract back. He has gotten progressively worse over the last 4 seasons and you'd be committing to pay him $25M+ for the next three years.
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This.
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True, but I'd rather pay Collins $25M for three more years than Duncan Robinson $19M for three more years, Simmons close to $40M for two more years or Bertans $16M for two more years. The discrepancy between salary and production is smaller for Collins than for some of the other guys that are often mentioned here.
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I'd agree with that, I still think Collins can regain form as well, I don't think Duncan/Ben can, and I never thought Bertans was good to begin with.
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The Lakers will remain active on the trade market, exploring deals both small and large. In the wake of the Irving-to-Dallas news, the two teams that have repeatedly popped up as Plan B options for the Lakers are the Utah Jazz and Toronto Raptors, according to league sources. Both teams have been linked to the Lakers in recent weeks and have starter-level players who have been rumored to be available. However, talks remain preliminary and nothing is imminent.
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True but still giving them back assets worth more than 1 FRP means they see value in Collins despite his contract. Its paying for hidden upside for sure, since 25M guy with his numbers is baggage unless your scouts tell you he can produce something close to 18/9 at least.
Albeit I'm not sure either Vando or Beasley right now is worth straight up 1 FRP (at least not better than 20ish pick). I think both were for sure more valuable 2 months ago than they are now at least.
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Saying that you want a FRP and those players being valued like that are two different things. We're reportedly just asking for Obi, Fournier, and 1 pick for them in a package with NY.
Fournier’s contract isn’t even that bad. He basically becomes an expiring next year because the last year on his contract is a team option. Fournier + Toppin + a first for Vanderbilt/Beasley is my favorite proposal I’ve heard so far.
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Tony Jones had an article this AM… mostly the same stuff we keep hearing… couple tidbits…
They have an offer from a western conference team for Vando that includes multiple seconds… I’m guessing this is the Portland offer and instead of Hart or something else I am guessing it’s Winslow and multiple seconds… pretty meh.
They had an offer earlier for Mike for expiring contracts… this may have been clips… if I’m guessing.
Sounds like we could find a path to cap space if we want.
They have an offer from a western conference team for Vando that includes multiple seconds… I’m guessing this is the Portland offer and instead of Hart or something else I am guessing it’s Winslow and multiple seconds… pretty meh.
They had an offer earlier for Mike for expiring contracts… this may have been clips… if I’m guessing.
Sounds like we could find a path to cap space if we want.
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Depends on the first but still not a bad deal. With Bradley if you don’t trade him then you are keeping him on his option… so essentially Fournier and Beasley are on the same contract. It sounds like he wants an extension too which is not something I’d want to do. I’m guessing that’s a fall back in case nothing better turns up.I’d be happy with it.
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If these are the options for Jazz ”improving” I’d rather stay put and look for next season.
Or is there another 2-3 first picks coming?
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Also Thibs will hate Beasley… I almost feel bad sending him there.
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So not really a ton of interest in our guys it seems...
Staying put and keeping the pieces we have already deemed incompatible is the worst thing we can do. Beasley and Vando are likely not gonna grow value in backup / spot minute roles. Also keeping things as they are is gonna mean we likely wont make the playoffs or the top 10 odds in the lottery, so we end up in between and still have the same trade pieces in the offseason just with less value on them.
Imagine, if you can, a world wherein we had collected multiple seconds between the THT and Bojan trades, making today’s reports completely meaningless.
Either we try to get in players to evaluate (my preferred option) or then just ship out pieces for assets that dont lose value (hopefully even gain it). And I'm like 90% sure thats what DA will do, as coming into the season he said the first priority is to evaluate everyone. Now the next priority is on, and that is building up and around what we have.