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It’s back officially tomorrow at noon eastern. Lakers already gettin Schroeder for Green and a pick. Imma guess Green is available in a flip... I’d be interested but not sure exactly how we get there.

Open up the floodgates... give me all teh tardes!

Why do teams just help the Lakers with trades like these? Geez it is like some teams act as farm systems for them.

 

[cowhide]

Let's pump the brakes a little on the "steal" talk. The Lakers traded a first round pick for an expiring contract. Makes perfect sense for both sides.

come on it is a late first round pick.

 

[LoPo]

Why do teams just help the Lakers with trades like these? Geez it is like some teams act as farm systems for them.

Because the Lakers use their late 1st rounders to trade for expiring contract guys who will re-sign there. We use our late 1st rounders on Tony Bradley.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why do teams just help the Lakers with trades like these? Geez it is like some teams act as farm systems for them.

They did it because they got a 1st rounder for an expiring contract. The move makes perfect sense for both teams.

 

[NUMBERICA]

come on it is a late first round pick.

So it’s a 1st round pick?

The Thunder traded a dead-end player for the best future asset they could. That’s it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why do teams just help the Lakers with trades like these? Geez it is like some teams act as farm systems for them.

They didn't. Green is still a valuable (and some say more valuable) player and they gave up a first. If someone offered something better they get the deal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm just imaging a new GM getting calls from teams wanting Harden and Westbrook and having to talk with Tillman about the deals... good hell that would suck.

GM "Nets will give Levert and dinwiddie plus Allen"

Tillman "shut up and listen... get KD/Kyrie for Westbrook then call Lakers about Lebron... I don't care for his politics but I'll let him work for me for a while!"

 

[NUMBERICA]

Quick reminder that good players on expiring deals (on bad teams) don’t usually fetch much. Knicks were getting 2nd rounders as offers for Marcus Morris (a 20ppg player on good efficiency and a fairly well-rounded player) but they insisted on 1st round compensation and barely got it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Quick reminder that good players on expiring deals (on bad teams) don’t usually fetch much. Knicks were getting 2nd rounder as offers for Marcus Morris (a 20ppg player on good efficiency and a fairly well-rounded player) but they insisted on 1st round compensation and barely got it.

It sounds like Phoenix is doing the deal now instead of waiting for FA so the Conley - 3/4 team options aren't there... but we could still sneak in and nab Green for 10-12M in expirings and a second or two imo. We need to be active... The MLE pool of players is pretty meh. You are more likely to pull a bad deal out of there than a good one imo. Go get some of these non-sexy names that are big impact guys.

Just a reminder... Danny Green has won three titles on three different teams... two in the last two years. I want that on my team and am surprised the Lakers dumped him.

 

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This trade take Lakers out of the CP3 business so that is good.

He's good, but he's still 35 and has had trouble staying healthy most of the recent years and is paid 41M and 44M next 2 seasons. He's not a bad player but to me that looks like a Oubre or a 1st too steep of a price.

beside the fact he gets on his teammates nerves.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It sounds like Phoenix is doing the deal now instead of waiting for FA so the Conley - 3/4 team options aren't there... but we could still sneak in and nab Green for 10-12M in expirings and a second or two imo. We need to be active... The MLE pool of players is pretty meh. You are more likely to pull a bad deal out of there than a good one imo. Go get some of these non-sexy names that are big impact guys.

Meanwhile, the Knicks ain’t getting CP3 and aren’t sending any assets for Westbrook (and his ruinous contract). I am not sure I’ve ever seen a more obvious move for them than to try and absorb Conley’s deal. It’s perfect. He will make them more competitive, but he won’t make them good enough to **** up their draft plans, will bring some desperately needed winning culture to that organization, AND he keeps their cap-sheet clean.

Just send us #27 (the established going rate for a good player on an expiring contract) so DL can save face and let’s steer away from this dead-end.

 

[LoPo]

Meanwhile, the Knicks ain’t getting CP3 and aren’t sending any assets for Westbrook (and his ruinous contract). I am not sure I’ve ever seen a more obvious move for them than to try and absorb Conley’s deal. It’s perfect. He won’t make them good enough to **** up their draft plans, but he will make them more competitive and bring some desperately needed winning culture to that organization AND he keeps their cap-sheet clean.

Just send us #27 so DL can save face and let’s steer away from this dead-end.

Conley does make so much sense for NY. Stability but also an expiring deal.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Conley does make so much sense for NY. Stability but also an expiring deal.

Then we go get Wood, head into Rudy negotiations with any leverage at all, and everyone’s happy (except Gobert and Cy).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Then we go get Wood, head into Rudy negotiations with any leverage at all, and everyone’s happy (except Gobert and Cy).

With all the tampering going on... Wood has almost certainly already agreed to his deal with team X. I think that ship sailed... bet he gets $15-18M per year pretty easily.

You can hold on to hope but I've given up on ever getting Wood.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OKC doesn't need to offload Ricky, but if they do next year they have infinity cap space. They have mega millions with Ricky, but they will be down to guys on Rookie deals. They can leverage the space for even MOHR PIKKKKKS! Or they can say to a couple FA's come here and build your super team... less likely but itd be completely open salary wise.

 

[NUMBERICA]

OKC doesn't need to offload Ricky, but if they do next year they have infinity cap space. They have mega millions with Ricky, but they will be down to guys on Rookie deals. They can leverage the space for even MOHR PIKKKKKS! Or they can say to a couple FA's come here and build your super team... less likely but itd be completely open salary wise.

Ricky also gives them placeholder cap. They have so many picks that they shouldn't have much of a problem dumping Ricky into someone's cap space next offseason, then having basically three max slots (plus infinity picks and inevitable ring-chasers).

Or they can just rebuild traditionally. World's their oyster.

 

[NUMBERICA]

With all the tampering going on... Wood has almost certainly already agreed to his deal with team X. I think that ship sailed... bet he gets $15-18M per year pretty easily.

You can hold on to hope but I've given up on ever getting Wood.

You're probably right, but it doesn't change that Conley is dead weight, and that #27 and cap space (even if left unused heading into the season) is preferable in my view.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ricky also gives them placeholder cap. They have so many picks that they shouldn't have much of a problem dumping Ricky into someone's cap space next offseason, then having basically three max slots (plus infinity picks and inevitable ring-chasers).

Or they can just rebuild traditionally. World's their oyster.

Yeah... I think if they could use Oubre to get off of Ricky's money they'd do it - hence my interest in the Conley swap... they could flip Conley to NY for #38 or some minor asset and Randle. I don't want a Conley for just space deal because I think Conley is good at basketball its just an imperfect fit but getting two starter level players for him... one with some upside still would be great.

I could also see them taking the Harris or Horford deal in a three team trade and collecting the picks. I would just keep stacking ****ing picks if I was them. I know they have a ton but who cares... get MOHRRRRRRRR!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You're probably right, but it doesn't change that Conley is dead weight, and that #27 and cap space (even if left unused heading into the season) is preferable in my view.

I'm not quite that far down on Mike. there is a scenario where we lose JC and Mike becomes the super sub... and all the Conley homerz will do the I told ya so.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I saw some tweets talking about how we are all so dumb for wanting to trade Mike because look how awesome he was in feb/march. What was hilarious was people act like he figured stuff out and was finally healthy... or he just shot the ball well...Ricky had better shooting numbers than Mike with more rebounds and assists as well during the same time period.

You have to take the whole sample... I'm sorry. Its just as likely he has injuries that bother him and he ends up struggling through parts of the season this year. We won't pivot but we very likely should if a decent opportunity comes along.