What's new
By:

Trade With Phoenix?

H

homeytennis

Well-Known Member
Phoenix has the 14, 18 and 27th picks in the first round. What say anyone to trading No. 5 for those picks and keeping 23?. That could potentially give the Jazz five decent young players to start the rebuild. Right now I'm not sure the No. 5 pick is going to land a game changer. The tank was in vein. Ty ruined it for us by playing the vets too much.
 
Go to a pub, order mash potatoes, boiled carrots, fries, and tell me you don't miss that piece of stake.



If you can do that? Do the trade.
 
Great...just what we need: more backups.
Ty did NOT ruin the tank by playing the veterans too much.

Favors, Hayward and Burke all averaged > 30 mins
Burks got 28 and Kanter just under 27.

As for the "veterans," RJ played 27 and Marvin got 25.

As Burke's backup, Garrett averaged 14 mins. OK, maybe the Jazz should have never signed Garrett and stayed with the VETERANS (JLIII and Tinsley). That would definitely have made the team worse.

So, that's the main 8-man rotation right there, with Evans and Gobert getting spot minutes.

I have few problems with the minutes Corbin gave to all of them. I think he did an ok job in that respect. I DO think he should have played the "core5" together, though, in preparation for this year. Maybe shave a few mins off Marvin and a few off RJ to give Gobert and Burks more PT. But that may have made the Jazz BETTER.

I get so tired of this old argument about "tanking." It was an unrealistic expectation caused by the Jazz' poor start. Look at the brutal schedule and factor in Burke's absence. Heck, even plug in Burke and the Jazz wouldn't have done much better. But you know what, IF YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT SCHEDULE TO START THE SEASON, THERE WILL BE A STRETCH OF EASIER GAMES LATER. And that's exactly what happened as the Jazz, with a home-friendly schedule against easier opponents went 10-10 after that horrible 1-14 start.

Please, tell me how the Jazz could have finished with a WORSE record than Milwaukee or Philadelphia. Philly sold all their players. Should Utah have done that? Milwaukee had just about everything go wrong for them. I'm not sure how to replicate their season. So to get a top-tier pick (pre-Embiid injury), Jazz would have had to lose 7 more games. I just don't see how they do it. With the roster the Jazz have, I think the team really underachieved. I think it's very fortunate we're discussing who to pick at #5 rather than debating the merits of Stauskas or McDermott in the #9-11 range (30-35 wins).
 
homeytennis said:
Phoenix has the 14, 18 and 27th picks in the first round. What say anyone to trading No. 5 for those picks and keeping 23?. That could potentially give the Jazz five decent young players to start the rebuild. Right now I'm not sure the No. 5 pick is going to land a game changer. The tank was in vein. Ty ruined it for us by playing the vets too much.
Click to expand...
Have you been on heroin lately? You're acting funny.
 
Core4 said:
Great...just what we need: more backups.
Ty did NOT ruin the tank by playing the veterans too much.

Favors, Hayward and Burke all averaged > 30 mins
Burks got 28 and Kanter just under 27.

As for the "veterans," RJ played 27 and Marvin got 25.

As Burke's backup, Garrett averaged 14 mins. OK, maybe the Jazz should have never signed Garrett and stayed with the VETERANS (JLIII and Tinsley). That would definitely have made the team worse.

So, that's the main 8-man rotation right there, with Evans and Gobert getting spot minutes.

I have few problems with the minutes Corbin gave to all of them. I think he did an ok job in that respect. I DO think he should have played the "core5" together, though, in preparation for this year. Maybe shave a few mins off Marvin and a few off RJ to give Gobert and Burks more PT. But that may have made the Jazz BETTER.

I get so tired of this old argument about "tanking." Please, tell me how the Jazz could have finished with a WORSE record than Milwaukee or Philadelphia. Philly sold all their players. Should Utah have done that? Milwaukee had just about everything go wrong for them. I'm not sure how to replicate their season. So to get a top-tier pick (pre-Embiid injury), Jazz would have had to lose 7 more games. I just don't see how they do it. With the roster the Jazz have, I think the team really underachieved. I think it's very fortunate we're discussing who to pick at #5 rather than debating the merits of Stauskas or McDermott in the #9-11 range (30-35 wins).
Click to expand...
The only reason I thought of this is that Yahoo had a mock draft with McDermott going to the Suns at 13. What made me think of going this route is that years ago Seattle had 3 vets and 9 rookies playing on a team and they made the playoffs. Bill Russell was the coach and blew the team up and draft picks 1 through 9 made the team. Of course some of those would be the 61st player taken.
 
homeytennis said:
Phoenix has the 14, 18 and 27th picks in the first round. What say anyone to trading No. 5 for those picks and keeping 23?. That could potentially give the Jazz five decent young players to start the rebuild. Right now I'm not sure the No. 5 pick is going to land a game changer. The tank was in vein. Ty ruined it for us by playing the vets too much.
Click to expand...
At worst, you take one of the ridiculously talented 18-19 year old kids that are currently at the top of the draft and then bust your *** to develop him. If the Jazz want 5 rookies this year, they just need to bring Tomic and Neto over and then maneuver their way through the draft to land as much top talent out of this class as they can. If you want other picks, there's plenty that are being thrown away. Trade for Lin, trade for Boozer, use the cap space to facilitate a trade for another team. Buy a pick. There are plenty of ways to get extra picks this year that don't require the Jazz to give up the only thing of value that they have right now - which is the #5 pick.

It's entirely possible that the Jazz won't get an All-star at #5, but then again. . . Damian Lillard went 6th, Klay Thompson went 11th, Kawhi Leonard went 15th, Paul George went 10th, Steph Curry went 7th, Kevin Love went 5th and Joaqim Noah went 9th. Hindsight tells us that these guys were all underdrafted. They easily should have been Top 4 picks, but if the Jazz had the 5th pick that year they were all available. You take the best players that you can with each and every single pick. If you trade back, you give up that option. It's one of the big reasons that I don't ever like the idea of trading back.
 
homeytennis said:
Phoenix has the 14, 18 and 27th picks in the first round. What say anyone to trading No. 5 for those picks and keeping 23?. That could potentially give the Jazz five decent young players to start the rebuild. Right now I'm not sure the No. 5 pick is going to land a game changer. The tank was in vein. Ty ruined it for us by playing the vets too much.
Click to expand...

disgusted-clint-eastwood.gif
 
homeytennis said:
Phoenix has the 14, 18 and 27th picks in the first round. What say anyone to trading No. 5 for those picks and keeping 23?. That could potentially give the Jazz five decent young players to start the rebuild. Right now I'm not sure the No. 5 pick is going to land a game changer. The tank was in vein. Ty ruined it for us by playing the vets too much.
Click to expand...

If a trade like this also nets a 1st rounder in next years or 2016's draft its a bit easier to digest.


The Jazz would absolutely have to be in love with a player they're confident is gettable at 14 to pull this off though.

lets say 14 is Stauskas, Rodney Hood, Elfrid Payton, or Jusuf Nurkic.

at 18 you could possibly snag Adreian Payne, maybe Zach LaVine if your lucky, With Saric's new contract and the Jazz not wanting 5 rookies, he could be an option at 18 aswell. Maybe Tyler Ennis.

at 23 you still have plenty of options, Since you hold 27 and 35 too in this scenario. Clint Capela can be stashed IIRC. PJ Hairston is shooting the ball too well in these workouts for me to trust him falling into the late 20's, so id take him in this spot.

at 27, you have options like Bogdan Bogdanovic, Walter Tavares and Damien Inglis who can be stashed. Shabazz Napier, Jordan Clarkson, KJ McDaniels, Jerami Grant and Cleanthony Early are also in play at this pick.

at 35, hopefully at least one pick is stashed already. Spencer Dinwiddie, who is coming off of an ACL tear could be an option, theres no reason to rush him back quickly, his value would be in the 1st round if he played out the year (67% TS% this year IIRC). Also at 35 Damien Inglis, Walter Tavares and Bogdan Bogdanovic could still be in play, Klimenko too.

Im not crazy about it but the Jazz could pull this off, it'd involve some Draft and Stash players and prolonged D-League stints
 
Locke says the Jazz are drafting Aaron Gordon. Would you rather have him or the 3 players Yahoo says the Suns will take? Just sayin.
 
homeytennis said:
Locke says the Jazz are drafting Aaron Gordon. Would you rather have him or the 3 players Yahoo says the Suns will take? Just sayin.
Click to expand...
14 - McDermott
18 - Hood
23 - McDaniels (Jazz own pick)
27 - Capella

I'd absolutely rather see the Jazz draft someone at #5 (one of Gordon, Vonleh or Exum will be there) and then try to trade around and maneuver up for the highest picks they can get. They have two decent picks (#23 and #35), a ton of cap space, cash to buy a pick and two European assets that they can barter with as well. I'd much rather see them swing for the fences and focus on quality over quantity this year.
 
Phoenix is probably getting a lot of calls from Brooklyn, Golden State, and NY who want picks in the draft either for specific players or as assets in deals. I don't think Phoenix will keep all their picks though unless they go Saric at 14 and have him stay in Europe (since he just signed a new 3-year deal anyways).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top