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Trey Burke makes fun of disabled man on IG

Enes CanTear You Apart said:
On an emotional and ethical level -and if we consider it as a single act-, I'm on the same page with you, it has no difference with racism. But people want heavy precautions and sanctions against racism because it's more dangerous as its results suggest and have been experienced worldwide through the history, including the near past. If we think the subject crimes as isolated from their backgrounds and results, both acts are despicable equally but in fact both are forgivable too if the people who made them committed it unintentionally and regret it genuinely. But, very deservedly, we don't have that luxury against racism and will never have. The other act though have that luxury, especially if the victim forgives it and is content with the conciliation. But you can't never forgive racism.


So, I don't claim a difference really. Just saying it's not bad as racism as a whole concept and the precautions, retributions and corrections can't be considered in the same manner.
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Thank you for your response. So, to make sure I understand this correctly, both are equally as bad, but historically racism is worse because it affects a whole people, whereas disability discrimination only affects a person?

Historically the discrimination of the disabled has bred equally dangerous results in human history. I suggest you do a little research to see who the first people imprisoned and killed by the Nazis were. They were the disabled. In our own country, negative attitudes about the disabled brought about the forced sterilization and hospitilization of many who weren't a threat to themselves or society. You should read up on the case Buck vs Bell.

There is no difference, and the damage is the same. The disabled are a people. The only difference is is that their voice hasn't been heard yet. They are even opressed by the opressed.

They are very much a people. A lot of disabilities are genetic, and are passed down via the DNA cocktails of the non-disabled. We are one.

There are many disabled people who have formed organizations for their specific disability, and the law recognizes them as a people, even if sociey does not. The NFB is to the blind what the NAACP is to adrican americans.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Donald Sterling is of the opinion that people who are close to him should not associate with certain people because of a physical trait. Those who posted this photo thought it was funny. Are you totally blind to the difference? Yes, they should apologize, but no, they are not even close to the same thing.
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They are bith discriminating actions that marginalize someone based on circumstances of birth, and not content of being. They are the same.

The only reason one is accepted is because people like yourself believe they are different.
 
Sexual Favors said:
They are bith discriminating actions that marginalize someone based on circumstances of birth, and not content of being. They are the same.

The only reason one is accepted is because people like yourself believe they are different.
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Wrong. Just because they are both examples of bad behavior doesn't make them the same. There is a ginormous difference between these two situations. And even if they were exactly the same except for the person who perpetrated them, there would still be a big difference because of the differences in the men who perpetrated them.

Should Trey apologize (assuming he's the one who did this)? Absolutely, and he ought to go the extra mile to make it up to this guy and to set an example for others to treat disabled people with the respect they deserve. Should Trey be prevented from pursuing his current career because of this event? No way.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Really?!!

Sterling gets banned for life from the NBA and fined 2.5 million, with the commisioner urging the orners to vote to force him to sell his team, because of racist remarks that hurt and marginalize a whole group of people.

Trey Burke, or Ian Clark, and Shaq publically humiliate a disabled man on the internet and the Jazz don't even respond!!!!!!

What is the difference? Why is this aby less important than what Sterling did?


Thing is, Trey is NOT a kid anymore. He is a 22 yr old adult. A role model. But here you all are making excuses for him.

If this was racial, you all would be up in arms about it. Disability is like race. The discrimination is the same. It is hatred against someone for the way they were born.



I really couldn't be more disgusted with this forum, society, and our FO right now.
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I share your motives for this post, but the difference is obviously showing one's place near the new king of NBA. From coaches to franchises to individual player accounts, people parrot Silver's words over and over again. I have no problem with it. It's how it works. I'm fine with it. But I don't believe Trey is a role model, or any 22 year old is. Not in our day. I get that he is the mediatic figure, but they come in spoiled patterns these days.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Wrong. Just because they are both examples of bad behavior doesn't make them the same. There is a ginormous difference between these two situations. And even if they were exactly the same except for the person who perpetrated them, there would still be a big difference because of the differences in the men who perpetrated them.

Should Trey apologize (assuming he's the one who did this)? Absolutely, and he ought to go the extra mile to make it up to this guy and to set an example for others to treat disabled people with the respect they deserve. Should Trey be prevented from pursuing his current career because of this event? No way.
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Of course the situations are different. If you'd read this thread you would see this. My point is that discrimination, wether against someone based on race, or based on disability, is still discrimination and has equal ramifications.

I believe Trey didn't think it through when he posted that pic, and that's the problem. People don't see these as equally hurtful or marginalizing.

Trey and the Jazz should be forced to acknowledge this, and there should be some disciplinary action taken. I am not calling for his head on a platter, but I am calling for some recognition at the very least. I've already said this was his first offense and should be treated as such. The problem is that right now it is not even being treated at all. On one hand you have Greg Miller condemning Sterling in the media, but then he won't even respond to the discriminatory behavior his PG is getting up to. Double standard. Trey shouldn't be hung, but there should be no free pass. People need to understand discrimination is discrimination.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Very lame, Trey. Very very lame. They contacted the Jazz with no response either. Stay classy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwkyLUk119E
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wait what
sterlin says **** in the privacy of his home. gets banned from nba for llive and forced to sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yet shaq and burke who PUBLICLY (i repeat not privately) humiliated and hurt this guys.
are not investigated by silver?


**** the NBA
 
Trey Burke needs to come clean and make a statement about this and meet the man in person to apologize. No other way around it.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Well, like the report said, they made efforts to contact the Jazz and the Jazz didn't respond. Could have avoided it by responding.
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Well maybe at the time they were asked they didn't know enough to make a comment. Just think how Trey would have felt if the Jazz front office threw him under the bus.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Wrong. Just because they are both examples of bad behavior doesn't make them the same. There is a ginormous difference between these two situations. And even if they were exactly the same except for the person who perpetrated them, there would still be a big difference because of the differences in the men who perpetrated them.

Should Trey apologize (assuming he's the one who did this)? Absolutely, and he ought to go the extra mile to make it up to this guy and to set an example for others to treat disabled people with the respect they deserve. Should Trey be prevented from pursuing his current career because of this event? No way.
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how is it different

sterling did it in private. shaq/burke did not.

shaq and burke Personally hurt the feelings of 1 guy.
sterling hurt the people of the whole black race i suppose
 
Sexual Favors said:
Thank you for your response. So, to make sure I understand this correctly, both are equally as bad, but historically racism is worse because it affects a whole people, whereas disability discrimination only affects a person?

Historically the discrimination of the disabled has bred equally dangerous results in human history. I suggest you do a little research to see who the first people imprisoned and killed by the Nazis were. They were the disabled. In our own country, negative attitudes about the disabled brought about the forced sterilization and hospitilization of many who weren't a threat to themselves or society. You should read up on the case Buck vs Bell.

There is no difference, and the damage is the same. The disabled are a people. The only difference is is that their voice hasn't been heard yet. They are even opressed by the opressed.

They are very much a people. A lot of disabilities are genetic, and are passed down via the DNA cocktails of the non-disabled. We are one.

There are many disabled people who have formed organizations for their specific disability, and the law recognizes them as a people, even if sociey does not. The NFB is to the blind what the NAACP is to adrican americans.
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Thanks for your thanks and the reading suggestions, but no thanks for producing answers for me.

To me, although it's never numbers vs numbers(which is very vague and arguable), the wars that caused by racism and the probable wars that might be caused by racism is enough on its own to make it the worse discrimination out of the two discriminations. It's the concept really, the composition. The disabled are not different as victims and not less valuable as people obviously but they are victimized on a far more personal level and in a scattered way in the public, which is a case that makes the incidents you wrote about relatively more defunct than the racism incidents in today's society and reality. Humanity is at a better level(not saying the desired level or even good level) against the discrimination towards the disabled society but the racism still is the one problem that is far more dangerous than the most other problems of the humanity worldwide and can affect the masses simultaneously. That's the point where the precautions, punishments and corrections differentiate actually. You have to deal with discrimination against the disable on a far more personal level and give weight more to precautions, educative and preventive measures against it(not saying no to penal sanctions). You even consider and practice positive discrimination when and where they really need and want it.

Against racism however, alongside the precautions, educative and preventive measures, you also have to constitute and implement much more severe sanctions since it can trigger far more dangerous events, create actual enemy parties and induce masses towards far more horrible things. So in my opinion, not to make discrimination amongst the discriminations, but racism is the one that is more dangerous(especially potentially) and to be feared more.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Very lame, Trey. Very very lame. They contacted the Jazz with no response either. Stay classy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwkyLUk119E
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A kid made fun of how someone else looks? Shocking! Burn the witch, burn the witch. (Something I bet everything I have, we've all done.) Hopefully he will learn a lesson from this and mature.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Thank you for your response. So, to make sure I understand this correctly, both are equally as bad, but historically racism is worse because it affects a whole people, whereas disability discrimination only affects a person?

Historically the discrimination of the disabled has bred equally dangerous results in human history. I suggest you do a little research to see who the first people imprisoned and killed by the Nazis were. They were the disabled. In our own country, negative attitudes about the disabled brought about the forced sterilization and hospitilization of many who weren't a threat to themselves or society. You should read up on the case Buck vs Bell.

There is no difference, and the damage is the same. The disabled are a people. The only difference is is that their voice hasn't been heard yet. They are even opressed by the opressed.

They are very much a people. A lot of disabilities are genetic, and are passed down via the DNA cocktails of the non-disabled. We are one.

There are many disabled people who have formed organizations for their specific disability, and the law recognizes them as a people, even if sociey does not. The NFB is to the blind what the NAACP is to adrican americans.
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I agree discrimination is bad regardless. There is no difference as far as it being discriminatory. I think the intent was different though. I really think that Sterling doesn't like black people and he is in a position of power to actually do something about it. While Trey or Ian and Shaq who ever did it, are just being mean or thoughtless. So there is a difference even though I do agree that both are bad. Unfortunately, Instagram, Facebook and other Internet sites have simply made it easier to be mean and thoughtless to the point where people either don't realize the harm or are desensitized about how harmful their "making fun is".

It is always easy to make fun of others when you don't know them but if you listen to the kid, he sounds like a kind soul and if Trey, Ian or Shaq actually met this guy they probably wouldn't have made fun of him. Even adults sometimes get caught up in joking around and later realize they shouldn't have said it. I am not saying this is what happened..maybe they are hypocrites but I am not going to attack Trey or Ian without hearing their side of it. I am giving them the benefit of doubt. With Shaq, I think he is kinda of Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde and he can be both nice and a jerk. He is older he should know better.

As an organization, I am glad that the Jazz just didn't freak out and make a claim or excuse without knowing the facts. However, I think the organization should definitely, do something about it once they talk with Trey or Ian. Whoever did it should be required to apologize to the kid and then they should be fined. I think it would even be great if he did a anti-bully commercial with the kid and the organization could even invite him to a game or give him some gear if the kid wants to have it.
 
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