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Jazzachery

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I know he gets a bad rap on here because he hasn't quite lived up to what we were all hoping for but I think we should cut him some more slack. He has only played two years in the NBA and half of that time was spent under Ty "I suck at player development" Corbin and the other half with a first year head coach. Also, look at the vet point guards he has played with and had a chance to learn from... john Lucas and Jamaal Tinsley aren't exactly what you call role model point guards. That being said, his shot is no where to be found at times and he hasn't played as well as I believe he is capable of at this point in his career. I think all the trade talk on here is a little funny and a little too early. Remember he is only 22 and been thrust into being a starting point guard for a rebuilding franchise. Sure, if we can get an all star caliber point guard in return then a trade makes sense but I don't think we can give up on him already.

My question to you guys is what are your expectations of him next year as far as development goes?
 
Exum is our point guard now.
If we can get something decent in a trade then we should trade him
 
Also, I'm not disappointed in trey cause he hasn't lived up to his potential...... Im disappointed in him because he has mostly sucked on both ends of the court. Simply put, he has just not been good at nba basketball
 
fishonjazz said:
Also, I'm not disappointed in trey cause he hasn't lived up to his potential...... Im disappointed in him because he has mostly sucked on both ends of the court. Simply put, he has just not been good at nba basketball
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I think Locke hit it on the head a couple of months or so in one of his "Empying the Noggin" columns that Trey can't keep having these 5-22 shooting nights with more turnovers than assists. If he keeps having a bunch of those games he will be in the DLeague or Europe very quickly.
 
Trey and Dante could make a good PG duo in years to come. This is easily the biggest offseason in Trey's career-- if he doesn't turn it on in his 3rd year, he probably never will. He's taking good shots-- he just needs to start making them. If it's mental, see a therapist. If it's strength, hit the weights.


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fishonjazz said:
Also, I'm not disappointed in trey cause he hasn't lived up to his potential...... Im disappointed in him because he has mostly sucked on both ends of the court. Simply put, he has just not been good at nba basketball
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In some ways I feel bad for Trey. He was drafted higher than he should've been, to a team desperate for a pg and something to sell the fans. He had a less than awesome coach, and the team had a bunch of young players....and they put him in the drivers seat of the tank. Harsh learning curve.

Then the organization fires the coach, and drafts another pg. Trey makes a few social media blunders. Loses his starting role, and can't shoot his way out of the ocean.

Ouch. Many people I know would be on suicide watch after that. Trey is resilient.

That being said. I think he does not get many more chances before he is a career backup or Euro-bound.

Also, shame on the Jazz. I know drafting is a gamble of sorts, and all young players don't turn out. But the Jazz aren't hitting homeruns with their draft picks, and they are barely getting the occasional single. They need to do better. The landscape of the nba and Utah's relative position makes it necessary that they hit on a higher than average number of their picks.
 
mellow said:
In some ways I feel bad for Trey. He was drafted higher than he should've been, to a team desperate for a pg and something to sell the fans. He had a less than awesome coach, and the team had a bunch of young players....and they put him in the drivers seat of the tank. Harsh learning curve.

Then the organization fires the coach, and drafts another pg. Trey makes a few social media blunders. Loses his starting role, and can't shoot his way out of the ocean.

Ouch. Many people I know would be on suicide watch after that. Trey is resilient.

That being said. I think he does not get many more chances before he is a career backup or Euro-bound.

Also, shame on the Jazz. I know drafting is a gamble of sorts, and all young players don't turn out. But the Jazz aren't hitting homeruns with their draft picks, and they are barely getting the occasional single. They need to do better. The landscape of the nba and Utah's relative position makes it necessary that they hit on a higher than average number of their picks.
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I agree with all the trey stuff from your post.

As for the draft.
The jazz hit a home run with rudy, at least a triple with hood (maybe a home run there too), at least a triple with Hayward (maybe another home run), and did ok with the Burks pick (probably a double with a chance to steal a base and make it to home player depending on how he improves.)

Burke was a pop fly, and dante is still up to bat.
Kanter was a bunt

All in all not bad imo
 
I hope your optimistic view of the young Jazz players is more accurate than my skeptical view.
 
Jazzachery said:
I know he gets a bad rap on here because he hasn't quite lived up to what we were all hoping for
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This might be the biggest understatement of the offseason.

fishonjazz said:
Also, I'm not disappointed in trey cause he hasn't lived up to his potential...... Im disappointed in him because he has mostly sucked on both ends of the court. Simply put, he has just not been good at nba basketball
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Exactly. He hurts you on both sides of the ball. If the Jazz want to take the next step (win wise) then he needs to be a + somewhere. As of right now he only hurts you when he's in the game.
 
fishonjazz said:
Also, I'm not disappointed in trey cause he hasn't lived up to his potential...... Im disappointed in him because he has mostly sucked on both ends of the court. Simply put, he has just not been good at nba basketball
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I agree with this, but also, I think that, sadly, he has actually reached his potential. He is the player he is going to become. I think we have seen his ceiling, and it wasn't good.
 
mellow said:
I hope your optimistic view of the young Jazz players is more accurate than my skeptical view.
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Well with the Hayward pick (#9) we could have taken aldrich, henry, or Davis.
George is better than Hayward but not by much.

You have to admit that Gobert was a home run, that one's obvious.

Hood at 21 is a fantastic pick.

Kanter is an ok player that puts up good numbers though that pick obviously didn't work out (kanter was the pick that 90% of gm's probably would have made too)

Burks is better that most #12 picks if you look at it historically. (We did miss by not taking leonard though) And I think Burks is not at his peak yet either.

Trading up for trey was horrible.

Like I said, dante is still up to bat and is very hard to judge right now but again, most teams would have taken him at #5 as well.

So I'm not sure why your are pessimistic about how the jazz have drafted.

Our biggest problem with this current team is that we have not aquired any big time free agents. (Possibly by design since we were rebuilding)

We have done fine drafting most of the time
 
Nah he is still young... players generally get better into their mid 20s and I expect Trey to as well.

The real issue is roster composition. If we had a steady starter at point guard and Trey was allowed to be a backup and develop he'd be fine and we could stay patient with him. Since we have Exum we really needed Trey to be further along and it creates stress because our play at that position is by far our greatest weakness. If either Trey or Dante doesn't take a leap and we don't bring someone else in we will have an issue. I'd trade Trey if we could get decent value in return, but not sure exactly where he fits. Maybe Dallas would do the 21st pick and Felton for Trey (We'd cut Felton... saves them a little more cap space). Anything short of that type of deal I think we need to hang on to him. The third year is a huge year for PGs and if we traded him for nothing we may end up regretting it. He had an awful year and I suspect his trade value is about as low as it will ever be... that doesn't mean we shouldn't move a different direction if its for the good of the team.
 
mellow said:
Also, shame on the Jazz. I know drafting is a gamble of sorts, and all young players don't turn out. But the Jazz aren't hitting homeruns with their draft picks, and they are barely getting the occasional single. They need to do better. The landscape of the nba and Utah's relative position makes it necessary that they hit on a higher than average number of their picks.
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Please name the teams that have done better than the Jazz in the draft in the last 5 years.
 
Layne Vashro has a statistical comp that measures NBA players years and compares it to other players based on stats, age, and height/weight. The comps that come up give me hope. Kemba, D Will, Mike Conley, and Nick Van Excel all come up. He is similar to them the year before they were effective NBA players.

Basically if he doesn't show good improvement this year it'd be safe to write him off I think.
 
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