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fishonjazz said:
I say again, trump didn't want zelensky to sign the deal. If he did he would have behaved better leading up to today.

Of course trump doesn't want to re-kindle the deal. trump doesn't want to end the war because Putin doesn't want the war to end (if he did he could end it at any time).
What Putin and trump want is for America to wash their hands of Ukraine and let them fight Russia without American assistance. Both Putin and trump hope Ukraine gets slaughtered.
Then Russia makes a deal with trump to pay trump with money made from the rare materials currently in Ukrainian land.

trump wanted zelensky to decline. Then trump can just wash his hands of zelensky and stop helping against Russia. Then Russia continues to conquer Ukraine. Which is what Putin wants to do. (trump wants what Putin wants) Then trump can blame it on zelensky for not signing the deal.
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This is the very sad truth.
 
fishonjazz said:
I say again, trump didn't want zelensky to sign the deal. If he did he would have behaved better leading up to today.

Of course trump doesn't want to re-kindle the deal. trump doesn't want to end the war because Putin doesn't want the war to end (if he did he could end it at any time).
What Putin and trump want is for America to wash their hands of Ukraine and let them fight Russia without American assistance. Both Putin and trump hope Ukraine gets slaughtered.
Then Russia makes a deal with trump to pay trump with money made from the rare materials currently in Ukrainian land.

trump wanted zelensky to decline. Then trump can just wash his hands of zelensky and stop helping against Russia. Then Russia continues to conquer Ukraine. Which is what Putin wants to do. (trump wants what Putin wants) Then trump can blame it on zelensky for not signing the deal.
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Posted the same. It’s possible. Here’s video of some guy insulting Zelenskyy before they started. Either they blew it up on purpose (they sure were dramatic) or their morons. Both probs.


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BabyPeterzz said:
Posted the same. It’s possible. Here’s video of some guy insulting Zelenskyy before they started. Either they blew it up on purpose (they sure were dramatic) or their morons. Both probs.


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They ran the Tan Suit strategy back. They are outraged by Zelenskyy's outfit more than Trump being a sexual predator, so you know their outrage is real.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Either they blew it up on purpose (they sure were dramatic) or their morons. Both probs.
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WTF are you talking about? You wanted this to happen. You praised it, called it "brilliant". THIS is what YOU wanted. Remember?

Here is a reporter on the ground in Ukraine talking about the mood in Ukraine. He mentions at the end that he was talking to a Ukrainian reporter about how she felt and she asked for forgiveness because she couldn't speak because she couldn't stop crying. They don't want your effing war. They are tired of dying, tired of having their lives destroyed. You take joy in Zelensky standing up to Trump on camera and killing the deal? Well, good for you.
 
Eminence said:
Damn, Russian military must be even more pathetic than I thought. Can't win a war against an enemy that doesn't want to fight them.
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That is what happens when neither side wants to fight. Things were different three years ago than they are now, but it appears you lot are going to get your continued war against the Russian invaders.
 
Nether side wants to fight?
Weird that Russian troops don't just return home then and end the fighting.

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Al-O-Meter said:
WTF are you talking about? You wanted this to happen. You praised it, called it "brilliant". THIS is what YOU wanted. Remember?

Here is a reporter on the ground in Ukraine talking about the mood in Ukraine. He mentions at the end that he was talking to a Ukrainian reporter about how she felt and she asked for forgiveness because she couldn't speak because she couldn't stop crying. They don't want your effing war. They are tired of dying, tired of having their lives destroyed. You take joy in Zelensky standing up to Trump on camera and killing the deal? Well, good for you.
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Yeah, nah.

His brilliance was sniffing out the grift and staying calm and composed while Trump and Vance freaked the **** out.

You watched emotional intelligence make these smooth brains melt down. Brilliant and so easy.

MAGA is so emotional.


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BabyPeterzz said:
His brilliance was sniffing out the grift
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Great job sniffing out the grift to keep his country at war.

BTW...it wasn't grift. the deal was three birds with one stone, and none of it was to make America rich off Ukraine.

First, it put Americans in Ukraine as a trip wire trigger to prevent Russia from rolling in exactly as the small American force as Korea's DMZ does, but because the Americans weren't military the Russians would find it acceptable. Also, those Americans would cost less than our military as theoretically the operation would be financially self-sustaining.

Second, it provided a source of income to rebuild Ukraine's infrastructure and economy. It is cheaper for us to develop a mine than it is to rebuild a country Marshall Plan-style. The morons in this forum who think Ukraine should make the deal with Europe instead don't understand that it would be even better for us as that means Europe is paying for the development of the mining interests to pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine instead of us.

Third, it defangs China just a bit as these are the same materials they have a commercial monopoly on and it would be nice to have this mining operation to mess with the price they are able to charge.

What Zelensky did yesterday had nothing to do with sniffing out anything or not wanting to let Ukraine be exploited. Rubio tried to get Zelensky to sign this agreement 6 days ago in Ukraine. It was Zelensky who insisted on traveling to the United States, to the White House, and doing it on camera. Trump didn't summon him. It is now apparent that Zelensky insisted on doing this at the White House in front of American cameras to embarrass Trump. Mission accomplished, but I don't think he counted on the backlash and now he's trying to walk his clout-chasing back.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Nether side wants to fight?
Weird that Russian troops don't just return home then and end the fighting.
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No, because Russia uses barrier troops in a line behind the front line whose task it is shoot any Russian not attacking. They also target their own troops with artillery if they see their own troops raise a white flag of surrender. Often the barrier troops are not even Russians but Chechens who have no problem shooting Russians.

Barrier troops - Wikipedia

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Kadyrov forces deployed as barrier force along Ukraine’s northern border

Russia has positioned Ramzan Kadyrov’s militants along Ukraine’s northern border in Kharkiv Oblast to act as a barrier force and support the regrouping of its troops, according to Nazar Voloshyn, a spokesperson for the Khortytsia strategic troop grouping. Voloshyn shared these details during a...
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Al-O-Meter said:
No, because Russia uses barrier troops in a line behind the front line whose task it is shoot any Russian not attacking. They also target their own troops with artillery if they see their own troops raise a white flag of surrender. Often the barrier troops are not even Russians but Chechens who have no problem shooting Russians.

Barrier troops - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

english.nv.ua

Kadyrov forces deployed as barrier force along Ukraine’s northern border

Russia has positioned Ramzan Kadyrov’s militants along Ukraine’s northern border in Kharkiv Oblast to act as a barrier force and support the regrouping of its troops, according to Nazar Voloshyn, a spokesperson for the Khortytsia strategic troop grouping. Voloshyn shared these details during a...
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Did Russia invade Ukraine?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That is what happens when neither side wants to fight. Things were different three years ago than they are now, but it appears you lot are going to get your continued war against the Russian invaders.
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Putin's Russia has no trust built up (and shouldn't). A negotiation that starts with Ukraine demilitarizing was and is a farce.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Great job sniffing out the grift to keep his country at war.

BTW...it wasn't grift. the deal was three birds with one stone, and none of it was to make America rich off Ukraine.

First, it put Americans in Ukraine as a trip wire trigger to prevent Russia from rolling in exactly as the small American force as Korea's DMZ does, but because the Americans weren't military the Russians would find it acceptable. Also, those Americans would cost less than our military as theoretically the operation would be financially self-sustaining.

Second, it provided a source of income to rebuild Ukraine's infrastructure and economy. It is cheaper for us to develop a mine than it is to rebuild a country Marshall Plan-style. The morons in this forum who think Ukraine should make the deal with Europe instead don't understand that it would be even better for us as that means Europe is paying for the development of the mining interests to pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine instead of us.

Third, it defangs China just a bit as these are the same materials they have a commercial monopoly on and it would be nice to have this mining operation to mess with the price they are able to charge.

What Zelensky did yesterday had nothing to do with sniffing out anything or not wanting to let Ukraine be exploited. Rubio tried to get Zelensky to sign this agreement 6 days ago in Ukraine. It was Zelensky who insisted on traveling to the United States, to the White House, and doing it on camera. Trump didn't summon him. It is now apparent that Zelensky insisted on doing this at the White House in front of American cameras to embarrass Trump. Mission accomplished, but I don't think he counted on the backlash and now he's trying to walk his clout-chasing back.
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The grift, like I said a million times as reported on Fox News, was the pressure to sign without assurances of security.

You just assume Zelenskyy is going to trust a punch of lying psychopaths? **** no!

Your scenario assumes way too much and is too simple to be realistic. It all has to work perfectly in order to be viable, it’s stupid. Putting Americans on the front lines as deterrent? Jesus Christ.

Irregardless, Trump and his team fumbled yesterday. Hard. Zelenskyy walked out with the cool head and the world support. The narrative world you’ve created doesn’t change these facts.

His deals materialize as he goes. This is not strategy or 5D chess. This is moment to moment, reactionary mismanagements compiling on the world stage.

Prepare your anus.


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Were I China I'd be considering ramping up pressure on Russia economically in an attempt to end the war and take the USs place as global lead (I'd guess it'd be successful, but could fail if the US attempted to step in as Russia's primary trading partner, which seems possible at this point), it'd build them a lot of trust in Europe.
 
Checked my 401K today. It actually went down a little since last time I checked.

I haven't been contributing to a 401k account for too long (maybe about 12/13 years or so) but this is literally the first time I have ever checked it and it was lower than the last time I had checked it. (that isn't to say that it hadn't ever decreased before but I have never actually seen the decrease myself before today)
 
fishonjazz said:
Checked my 401K today. It actually went down a little since last time I checked.

I haven't been contributing to a 401k account for too long (maybe about 12/13 years or so) but this is literally the first time I have ever checked it and it was lower than the last time I had checked it. (that isn't to say that it hadn't ever decreased before but I have never actually seen the decrease myself before today)
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Most economists believe we are headed to a full-on recession with the tariffs that are coming. It's going to get way worse before there is any chance for it to get better.
 
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