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fishonjazz said:
And another one: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-admin-deports-teen-no-044238859.html

Wilmer Gutiérrez last saw his son the morning of Feb. 24. Later that day, his nephew called to tell him that 19-year-old Merwil Gutiérrez had been arrested just steps from their shared apartment in the Bronx. “The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building,” he recalled. “One said, ‘No, he’s not the one,’ like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, ‘Take him anyway.’”

He has no criminal record, neither in Venezuela nor the U.S, per the outlet, and does not have any tattoos, which is one of the criteria ICE officers use to claim migrants are members of the Tren de Aragua gang.

William Parra, an attorney at Inmigración Al Día, the law firm representing his case, says Merwil’s detention was unjustified as he has an immigration court case pending with his father and was taking the proper steps to formalize their situation. “Merwil was detained for hanging out with friends and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ICE was not looking for him, nor is there any evidence whatsoever that Merwil was in any gang,” said Parra.

Wilmer has struggled to understand why his teenage son was sent to El Salvador’s Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), a mega-prison tied to allegations of human rights abuses. “I feel like my son was kidnapped,” said Wilmer. “I’ve spent countless hours searching for him, going from one precinct to another, speaking with numerous people who kept referring me elsewhere. Yet, after all this, no one has given me any information or provided a single document about his case.

“I could have understood if he’d been sent back to Venezuela,” he said. “But why to a foreign country he’s never even been to?”

CBS’ 60 Minutes released a report that found 75 percent of the Venezuelans — 179 men — deported by the Trump administration in March had no apparent criminal record. The migrants — whom the administration claimed had ties to the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua — were sent to El Salvador without any due process.

The Department of Homeland Security later admitted it had wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an innocent man with protected status, to CECOT due to an “administrative error.” Despite being ordered by the Supreme Court to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return to the U.S., the Trump administration has openly disregarded the ruling.

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Yeah, the dad perfectly captured my confusion: "I could have understood if he’d been sent back to Venezuela. But why to a foreign country he’s never even been to?”
This makes zero sense. He was pursuing legal status and had broken no law. If Trump wanted to terminate his legal status and deport him to Venezuela, I might disagree, but at least this would be justifiable. However, sending him to prison in an unrelated third country makes zero sense. What is he being imprisoned for?
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Current 'conservatives' seem to be of the opinion that if a migrant or other visitor in our country is accused of anything Donald has the right to beat them to death in the street, though I think they take more joy in this prolonged execution.

Truly a pathetic lack of morals.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Oh I know of the excuse being used for sending a guy who did nothing wrong, take him from his family, and send him to a literal gulag. Look it up. A US congressman was denied access to him to prove he’s alive. He may be dead. His wife widowed and his kid loses his dad forever.

Tell me why I should let you distract me with your ******** to protect Trump again??


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He seems to be saying that voters voted for this, so STFU because this is like snuff porn for MAGA-tards and Trump is just giving them what they want.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Oh I know of the excuse being used for sending a guy who did nothing wrong
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I have no idea who you are talking about. I thought we were talking about the guy who illegally entered the United States and received years of due process on the tax payer's dime. Who is the 'did nothing wrong' guy?

BabyPeterzz said:
A US congressman was denied access to him to prove he’s alive.
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Even trying could be seen as a violation of the Logan Act. The Executive Branch has all the authority in dealing with foreign affairs. Lower court judges have zero, and US Congressman have zero. If they want to be the US President then run for the office and win the election.
 
Sardines said:
He seems to be saying that voters voted for this, so STFU because this is like snuff porn for MAGA-tards and Trump is just giving them what they want.
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That isn't what I'm saying at all.

Back in the 1970's, the ACLU fought for the right of some neo-Nazi group to parade through a Jewish neighborhood. The ACLU didn't do that because they liked neo-Nazis. The ACLU cherished the first amendment and its protections of speech, even the speech of neo-Nazis. It wasn't the neo-Nazis that were worth fighting for. It was the freedom of speech that was worth fighting for.

I'm not happy the El Salvadorian illegal alien is in an El Salvador prison. I'm not happy he was deported there despite there being a withholding order. None of that is what I am championing. The point I am making is that even though the El Salvadorian citizen was wrongfully deported, THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY THROWING CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITS ON POWER INTO THE GARBAGE CAN. A lower court judge does not have the power to direct foreign affairs, and how noble or just her motivation doesn't matter. Judges are very powerful but they are not emperors who can usurp whatever power they deem necessary. The Executive Branch ignoring a judge operating way outside her scope of powers is not a constitutional crisis. It is the constitution working exactly how it is supposed to work.

If you want to argue that Trump is a douche who is pushing the limits of Presidential power, I won't argue against it.
If you want to argue the Trump administration did something illegal when they deported that El Salvador guy, I won't argue against it.
If you want to argue that Trump's wrongdoing justifies your side ignoring constitutional limits on power, then I don't think you have any problem at all with dictatorship. You just want your side to be dictator. I don't want either side to be dictator.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Correct. What a foreign sovereign nation does to their own citizen is a foreign affair. What El Salvador does or does not do with El Salvadorian nationals is not within the purview of a lower court judge in the United States. A judge here in the United States can rule the deportation was illegal and levy a sanction, such as a fine, but is constitutionally barred from issuing court orders that direct foreign affairs. Doing so would "exceed the District Court’s authority" as SCOTUS succinctly put it. That a lower court judge in the United States is clearly trying to usurp power beyond the limits placed on the power granted to her by her office should terrify you, and be cause for her removal from the bench. Do not fall into the trap of letting bad actors train all your focus on Trump so they can break laws for there may come a day where you desperately need the guardrails to hold.
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You attempt intellectual trumpism the same way JD Vance does. Good luck with that. It’s still nonsense.
 
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Disappearing those deemed “undesirable” by the ruling leader and/or party violating the law and justifying such illegal activity as being, “the will of the people” is the defining characteristic of fascism. Some of you are revealing your own degenerate selves. Wanna know whose side you’d be in Pinchocet’s Chile or Nazi Germany? We’re seeing it. The funny thing is, you don’t think this can happen to you and your tribe? As if you’ll always be the one wearing the boot?
 
Eminence said:
Current 'conservatives' seem to be of the opinion that if a migrant or other visitor in our country is accused of anything Donald has the right to beat them to death in the street, though I think they take more joy in this prolonged execution.

Truly a pathetic lack of morals.
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Ya all of a sudden the penalty for trespassing is the same as for committing murder except even worse because you get shipped to a country you have never even been to for serving your sentence for basically existing on land that yesterday you were ok to exist on but today existing on that land means you get sent to a horrible maximum security prison in another country that you have never been to.
It's insane.

This case is even more insane. This kid was allowed protected status in 2019 (trump was president) and has committed no crimes while here (or in his previous country either) and has no tattoos or gang affiliations.
He has court cases pending regarding citizenship.
He is doing everything the right way.

Then suddenly one day some dudes show up and one of the dudes even says "this isn't the guy we are after" and the other dude says "let's take him anyway" and now he is in a prison in El Salvador where he has never even been before.

So ****ed up.
 
The Thriller said:
Disappearing those deemed “undesirable” by the ruling leader and/or party violating the law and justifying such illegal activity as being, “the will of the people” is the defining characteristic of fascism. Some of you are revealing your own degenerate selves. Wanna know whose side you’d be in Pinchocet’s Chile or Nazi Germany? We’re seeing it. The funny thing is, you don’t think this can happen to you and your tribe? As if you’ll always be the one wearing the boot?
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And remember, Auschwitz wasn't located in Germany. It was in Poland.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya all of a sudden the penalty for trespassing is the same as for committing murder except even worse because you get shipped to a country you have never even been to for serving your sentence for basically existing on land that yesterday you were ok to exist on but today existing on that land means you get sent to a horrible maximum security prison in another country that you have never been to.
It's insane.

This case is even more insane. This kid was allowed protected status in 2019 (trump was president) and has committed no crimes while here (or in his previous country either) and has no tattoos or gang affiliations.
He has court cases pending regarding citizenship.
He is doing everything the right way.

Then suddenly one day some dudes show up and one of the dudes even says "this isn't the guy we are after" and the other dude says "let's take him anyway" and now he is in a prison in El Salvador where he has never even been before.

So ****ed up.
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Bingo

What happened to proportionality? If you think this country should have zero brown asylum seekers or undocumented immigrants? Fine. I disagree with it. And it’s certainly at odds with most western democracies. But why are we deporting them to a gulag in a country they haven’t even been to? Punishments need to fit the “crime.” The way we’re treating these people is something like the worst regimes in the last few hundred years.

On top of all of this, how do we know these people are what Donald says they are? Donald lies all the time. This is why due process exists. And this is why you don’t deport people to gulags in other countries.

And while this might give the worst MAGAs boners, it’s not what the majority of this country wants.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
There is this thing called Google that you can type your questions into and get answers.
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Sorry, your posts and views are so stupid. The separation of powers is part of a system of check and balances to prevent any branch of having too much power. In this case the Executive. Second, facilitating the release of someone, who was wrongfully deported in the first place (had legal protection) and then imprisoned in a foreign country is part US foreign diplomacy toolbox. It does it all the time. But you are claiming the Judiciary is forcing the Executive to abduct someone? Or even invading the country?. Don't be this dumb. The Executive made a mistake and it has all the tools to fix it (tariffs maybe...s/) if they want to (obviously they don't as it will put in question -even more- its deportation policy, so Garcia is paying the price).
 
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