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Trump's New Years Greeting to Americans

Siro said:
You don't know anything about my views. If you'd only stop with the TRIGGERED LIBERALS AND PC-POLICE LEFTISTS caricatures, you'd be able to have better conversations with more people.
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10,438 political posts. We know your views dude do not try to hide behind a fake persona when it is convenient.

J/K mate I am willing to listen an learn.
 
Computer said:
Ok. You have a point. But it works both ways. The triggered liberals stuff is just a repsonse to calling everyone racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc..Im not saying you specifically do that all the time, but it is what a lot of people on the left do. You cant have a conversation with that either. The left basically issues threats to anyone that disagrees with them. Its you will change your views to my ways or I will try to ruin you with one of these labels. People are getting fed up with it. So they are just firing back with their own labels. This is the main underlying problem with the two halfs of America. Its not going to get better any time soon if the left keeps it up.

Lets just use immigration as an example. The left will have no conversation about it. You just get labeled a racist if mention it all. But, believe it or not, its more complicated than just about race. Not all people who have a concern about it are racist. They know that about themselves, so when they get called one, they no longer believe its even possible to have a conversation about it. That conversation and complexity includes a lot of things, such as welfare, taxes, crime, etc. Its doesnt make anyone a racist if they dont want to pay to support someone else. A lot of people in a America can barely afford to pay for themselves. In fact they cant even do that. Most people are debt slaves and see no way out. Then they are told that they will need to pay more to support other people. That support includes using schools, hospitals, etc. People see the rising cost of healthcare and know its partly because of too much immigration. These are legit concerns of people who are just trying to survive. They are not racists because they are just trying to survive.



Expect labels to come back at you when you use them on other people.
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I think some of the support behind Trump can be genuinely called racist. We can talk about the specifics, but it isn't a coincidence that white supremacists rallied behind Trump. And this isn't a trivial issue that can glossed over. It is serious, and it must be taken seriously.

That is not to say that those on the left don't have their own brand of racism, with their self-righteous calls for "diversity" that fragment society into smaller and smaller separate but equal groups. Throughout my time on JF, I'd be willing to bet that I've bitched more about the left than I did the right.

Nonetheless, I understand what you're saying. I've even echoed some of the same sentiments. The US is outrageously wealthy, but not everyone is seeing the benefit of such extreme wealth. On the other hand, it is important to acknowledge that the US has the most successful economy on Earth, and that most of Americans live fairly comfortable lives.

All in all, I don't think the "establishment" has wronged us greatly. I would MUCH rather have seen an establishment politician with experience win the presidency, as opposed to risking economic and social upheaval under an unpredictable and inexperienced president, whose views are all over the place, and the ones he consistently expresses are mostly junk.

You're also right about the establishment corporatism and warmongering. Maybe a Trump presidency would pull us away from such ****, but I have serious doubts. Trump is the definition of elite, and he doesn't strike me as the most peace-loving person. So I am not very optimistic. But we'll see.
 
fishonjazz said:
Just get rid of anyone who doesn't think like you huh? You think everyone should think and feel the same way about everything?
Never gonna happen bro. You will always have to deal with people who are different from you. Might as well change your attitude about it and except it instead of hoping everyone else will change.
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lol u can think anyway you want aslong as you do not try and silence the oposition.

you can get triggered by my hoola doll on my cars dashboard. but you cant force me to take it down!
 
Siro said:
I think some of the support behind Trump can be genuinely called racist. We can talk about the specifics, but it isn't a coincidence that white supremacists rallied behind Trump. And this isn't a trivial issue that can glossed over. It is serious, and it must be taken seriously.
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only real racism and sexism i see is from the left. seriously i could get lots of videos, but most have swearwords in em.

being against ILLEGAL Immigration is not racism, immigrants are not a race. hell i have been a (legal) immigrant almost my whole adult life!

but making a video called new years resolution for white guys, or making video calling for white genocide. those are racist.

meanwhile there are lots of hoax fake race crimes.
fro example the muslim teenager who claimed trump supporters ripped of her jihab and screamed things at her.


or how about the poop swastika. who the **** thought that was a crime perpetrated by racist/kkk. a swastika is a symbol they like. they would never make a poop swastika. just like Christians wont make a nativity-scene out of poop!
only people who do not respect a swastika would draw one in poop. and yet the fake news media(by that i mean mainstream media) thought it was REAL!



all i see on the left is identity politics! identity politics are RACIST/SEXIST!
 
LogGrad98 said:
This goes well with the conversation so far.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-...tter-contempt-of-working-class-151215285.html
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Food network will now fire Anthony Bordain for criticizing liberals even though he is one.
I bet they find a red white an blue dish an claim it is racist.
Why did the racist do a show on southern dishes blacks eat?

Do not believe me? Remember when that college chef got fired for making fried chicken an collard greens an stuff on MLK day or black history week? Guy tried to celebrate a culture an the liberals FIRED HIM FOR RACISM! They are insane.
 
DutchJazzer said:
lol u can think anyway you want aslong as you do not try and silence the oposition.
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That's not what your other post said. Glad you changed your stance.
 
DutchJazzer said:
thats because it is to complicated for you to understand!


i am part libertarian, i believe in liberty, liberty lovers are sometimes called deplorables. maybe you know it by that word.
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It's not complicated for me at all. You are the one who seems confused.

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DutchJazzer said:
thats because it is to complicated for you to understand!


i am part libertarian, i believe in liberty, liberty lovers are sometimes called deplorables. maybe you know it by that word.
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then you believe in freedom and justice for all the rich and powerful. That is what being a libertarian is, besides being full of conspiracy nuts and whack jobs. No rules or regulations! Sounds like freedom right? Wrong. In this environment the rich and powerful have full unchecked authority. But keep waving your rebel flag, and screaming about liberty!
 
Well, I suppose I'm just hopelessly pessimistic where Trump's presidency is concerned. It has been a struggle, to say the least, for me to understand how such diametrically opposed views of the guy can exist. It's only natural that anyone hopes others will agree with one's opinion. In this instance, I just don't understand how the nature of his demagoguery is not more readily recognized by more people.

I recall at rallies, when protestors were led out, he would point to them and tell the crowds that the protestors were the "worst Americans", and other derisive terms to stigmatize protest as representing anti-American points of view. And while there was violence from both sides at times, the truth of the matter is that the protestors were mostly the very people he marginalized and scapegoated in his speeches, so how could there not be protestors at his rallies?

He marginalized the press as well, by always keeping them in cages during his rallies. I would not expect relations with a free press to be any better during his term. The whole net effect, through his rallies, his conspiracy theories, and his tweets is to make sure his followers thoroughly despise, and regard as the enemy, anybody who dares to criticize him or object to any policy he promotes. If that's the strategy for governance, it seems an irresponsible tact to take. It sounds like it will resemble the "America, love it of leave it" motto of the right during the Vietnam era. But it will be Trump's America, and to oppose it will incur his wrath, and that of his followers.

For Trump, there is going to be only one acceptable America: the America who supports him with no criticism whatsoever. And that is, and always has been, the attitude of dictators throughout history. Those won over by his demagoguery will never waver in their support. For some, it's like a cult of personality. And I suspect his style will be that of a personality cult much more then that of an American President with the responsibility of being a leader for all Americans. His New Year greeting a preview of what's to come in that respect.

I expect many of Trump's supporters to embrace the wrath he directs at critics and encourage an environment where dissent won't go down well at all. For the dissenters. He calls this a "movement" after all. Even if that movement is just self-aggrandizement in disguise. Not that it will go down easy. The Resistance to Trump will not simply go away. Not as long as he insists on labeling that resistance as the enemy and as anti-American, as the "worst" of America. Those blind to the technique of the demagogue won't recognize any of this. But we are now moving in the direction of a "civil war", and Trump's New Years tweet is just one more way that he seems to be saying. " bring it on".

He's expanding his scapegoating to include half the country, in other words.
By pounding on the "losers", rather then any effort whatsoever to be inclusive toward all.

Would it really be expecting, and asking, too much of the man to tweet a greeting that made Americans feel good about themselves? In a jaw dropping sort of way, by way of a tweet, Trump says yes, it's asking too much.

The truth is I would like nothing better then to understand Trump's support better then I'm sure I do. Much better. I don't pretend that everything written above does not reflect a bias that must be missing something. Nobody has perfect understanding of history, or the reasons for the rise of Trumpism. Certainly not I. By coincidence, I ran across an article that sought to throw light on the rise of Trump by relating it to a rise in fondness for authoritarianism. It might be easier for me to understand Trump supporters if I do see them in light of a trend toward authoritarian rule in general:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...oritarianism-that-has-drawn-so-many-people-in
 
It's as if, in that single tweet, he expanded his demagogic scapegoating to include, not just Muslims, even American Muslims, and immigrants, and the media, to now include fully half the country. Well, if he's going to do that, what hope do we have to avoid ever expanding conflict between liberal and conservative?? If half the country is to be labeled losers and enemies, what hope is there?

The thing I have always resented the most about Trump is he seems to be oblivious to the fact that there are enough nuts out there to rally to a call that says half the country are somehow enemies of what is right for America, when he apparently believes only he should be regarded as right for America. The real world is going to conflict big time with such an attitude. He has always been completely uncaring where the effect of his rhetoric is concerned. Could he possibly act in a more irresponsible fashion? Words do matter.
 
Good post [MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]

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He won the presidency. He no longer needs to troll or be divisive.

For someone already starting in a deficit for likeability and support, he just doesn't get it. Nor does this give any reassurance that he has the maturity or temperance to be POTUS. One of the best responses to his behavior came on Facebook a few days ago on a local representative's wall. It said, "If you don't have concerns about Donald Trump's behavior then why are you constantly having to re-explain to us what he actually means and demand that we show him respect?" It's true, at some point the GOP leadership is going to get tired of constantly having to deal with this kid's behavior.

So He better start delivering quickly on his campaign promises like Mexican walls and Appalachian coal. Because once he fails at these there will be no shortage of critics and "losers" wanting to get revenge. It will be open season on the GOP who will be tainted because of their support of this kid.
 
@ Red good post

There will always be a segment of ournsociety that loves authoritarianism. It's always been with us. And it has definitely grown in the 21st century as the country... and the world... has seen an uptrick in gloabalizarion.

But trump also won in places like Michigan and Ohio that have been typically blue counties. If trump doesn't fulfill campaign promises there then these counties are going to turn against him. Trump might feel powerful today. But imo he's walking on thin ice. When the bottom falls out there will be no shortage of "losers" eager to extract their pound of flesh. So the more and more he alienates the greater the backlash shall be.
 
Revolution 9 said:
then you believe in freedom and justice for all the rich and powerful. That is what being a libertarian is, besides being full of conspiracy nuts and whack jobs. No rules or regulations! Sounds like freedom right? Wrong. In this environment the rich and powerful have full unchecked authority. But keep waving your rebel flag, and screaming about liberty!
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equality and liberty for ALL!


not just for 1 class or identity. that's what democrats do. identity politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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