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SalmonHobo said:
Final stats for Enes today?

Time for tomorrow's game for us East coasters? EST?
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Go to "box score" here: https://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/default.asp?cid={13FE876A-D668-47E5-BFDF-C043215442BF}&compID={D166E39E-2323-4863-B229-76357A926FA2}&season=2011&roundID=7526&gameID=7984-E-5-2

There are a few highlights as well.

Here is a list of the games and their times. There is 7 hours difference in time, and 15:30 = 8:30 EST: https://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/default.asp
 
AKMVP said:
No any games during lockout. Teams can't even sign their free agents or draft picks so there can't be no games of any kind.
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they say , there is a lakers gsw game in fresno next month, but i guess its a stupid rumour thats why i didnt get ticket, i guess many people already got ticket
 
i think enes' feet are pretty quick regarding his slow body. He was some flaws in his defense, but they are not fundamental flaws like in Boozer or Big Al, i think he will be much better once he gets game experience. He already proved he can bang with any big guy in the world
 
I like what I see from the game...

However, I still think that Kanter would be a PF on a contender - he's just too undersized to be a Center in the NBA...
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I like what I see from the game...

However, I still think that Kanter would be a PF on a contender - he's just too undersized to be a Center in the NBA...
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I agree with him being a 4/5, but undersized? He measured 6-11" (yes, in shoes) and weighs around 260lbs. He'll often be shorter than the other teams center, but to say he's undersized is a stretch.
 
PKM said:
I agree with him being a 4/5, but undersized? He measured 6-11" (yes, in shoes) and weighs around 260lbs. He'll often be shorter than the other teams center, but to say he's undersized is a stretch.
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Kanter's not going to be a shot blocker, but so what? Dude holds his ground very well, and tries to play good team D. Yesterday, after Dirk missed a wide open three off a pick and pop, Kanter decided to let the guard go and stick with Dirk on similar plays, and it worked fantastically. His height shouldn't stop him from being an average or better defender if he's committed on the defensive end.
 
GVC said:
Kanter's not going to be a shot blocker, but so what? Dude holds his ground very well, and tries to play good team D. Yesterday, after Dirk missed a wide open three off a pick and pop, Kanter decided to let the guard go and stick with Dirk on similar plays, and it worked fantastically. His height shouldn't stop him from being an average or better defender if he's committed on the defensive end.
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When it comes to big games against longer players like Gasol or Bynum, I disagree. This is no different than Memo who held his ground well and tried to play good team d. But when push came to shove, he simply didn't have the ability to truly challenge the offensive player whether that meant blocking a shot, altering one, or gaining any type of psychological advantage in the match-up.

Kanter may be listed at 6'11 (without shoes) and he may rebound at a very good rate in the NBA. But he doesn't appear to have the lift or play tall to truly challenge the best in the league. Against heavy-footed guys like Kaman and maybe Bogut, he may be okay. Against Howard, Bynum, the Gasols, and maybe a few others, I'm not so sure. The bottom line though is he's 19 so if you're someone like me, why worry. We have the luxury of time and a stable of bigs, specifically Favors, who I believe can play truly big at the 5 if Kanter can't.
 
SalmonHobo said:
When it comes to big games against longer players like Gasol or Bynum, I disagree. This is no different than Memo who held his ground well and tried to play good team d. But when push came to shove, he simply didn't have the ability to truly challenge the offensive player whether that meant blocking a shot, altering one, or gaining any type of psychological advantage in the match-up.

Kanter may be listed at 6'11 (without shoes) and he may rebound at a very good rate in the NBA. But he doesn't appear to have the lift or play tall to truly challenge the best in the league. Against heavy-footed guys like Kaman and maybe Bogut, he may be okay. Against Howard, Bynum, the Gasols, and maybe a few others, I'm not so sure. The bottom line though is he's 19 so if you're someone like me, why worry. We have the luxury of time and a stable of bigs, specifically Favors, who I believe can play truly big at the 5 if Kanter can't.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't like the Okur comparison .. they go about the game completely differently.
 
SalmonHobo said:
When it comes to big games against longer players like Gasol or Bynum, I disagree. This is no different than Memo who held his ground well and tried to play good team d. But when push came to shove, he simply didn't have the ability to truly challenge the offensive player whether that meant blocking a shot, altering one, or gaining any type of psychological advantage in the match-up.
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What? There is a HUGE difference, as Kanter seems to have the ability to:

1. Beat his man back down court. Memo and Boozer were both atrocious in transition.

2. Once back, keep his opposite number away from the basket. Again, Memo's not nearly as strong or physical as Kanter seems to be.

What a terrible comparison. Are you high?
 
GVC said:
What? There is a HUGE difference, as Kanter seems to have the ability to:

1. Beat his man back down court. Memo and Boozer were both atrocious in transition.

2. Once back, keep his opposite number away from the basket. Again, Memo's not nearly as strong or physical as Kanter seems to be.

What a terrible comparison. Are you high?
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I didn't say he plays defense like Okur. I said, like Kanter, Okur also has the ability to do what you mentioned, hold his ground well and play good team d. Transition d was never mentioned by you or me.
 
Kanter and Favors could be very good together down the road. Their skills greatly compliment one another. What one lacks the other has and vice versa. Promising, for sure.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I didn't say he plays defense like Okur. I said, like Kanter, Okur also has the ability to do what you mentioned, hold his ground well and play good team d. Transition d was never mentioned by you or me.
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I don't think Memo has nearly as solid a base as Kanter. Add in the transition element, and the defensive comparison is just plain stupid.
 
GVC said:
Kanter = Perkins is a lot closer than Favors = Garnett. If Favors ever finds anything close to Garnett's intensity (fat chance)...
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Perkins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Garnett = tough to make the double comparison, for me.
 
GVC said:
Kanter = Perkins is a lot closer than Favors = Garnett. If Favors ever finds anything close to Garnett's intensity (fat chance)...
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Garnett is intense for sure, but not only is he intense but also a hot-headed loud-mouth who is often a dirty player. People often associate intensity with their ability to make the loudest noise. A color can be intense without saying a word (not to get too arts-fartsy on ya). Tim Duncan is intense in the way he plays. Favors is intense! The way he dunks on anyone, and I do mean anyone (if you can dunk on/through JaVale McGee, you can dunk on/through anyone), challenges every shot (often to a fault getting in foul trouble), calls for the ball (happening more and more often; see the Blazers game against Aldridge), rebounds the ball (see the Celtics game at home and the epic Lakers game). This guy is not afraid to dunk on/through or block anyone. He can sky over most players in the NBA and loves to do so. He's 19 (20?), but don't underestimate his intensity just because he doesn't have flatulence of the mouth like KG. On the flip-side, KG is often not as intense on the offensive end, preferring to pass the ball.
 
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Memo is the worst help/team defending 5 that I can think of. Atrocious. What?

The ONLY thing Memo does well defensively is contain his matchup.
 
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