Ty Corbin is...

[Siro]

An offense designed to (only) get Al Jefferson the ball is a major FAIL imo.....

Corbin hasn't shown to be very competent. Isn't developing the young players, bad rotations, poor job of preparing and motivating his team to play on the road, lack of in-game adjustments, inability to exploit matchups, bad use of timeouts/end of game plays, and most of all a complete FAIL of an offensive system.

Even with Masked Mamba and Deron Williams on this team, this offense would still be fail. They'd stand around the 3 point line and feed the ball to Jefferson. Jefferson would then continue to shoot low percentages, never get to the FT line, and try and score against triple teams. Jazz would still be losing and the rest of the players would remain frustrated.

The lack of contributions we're receiving from Favors, Millsap, the PGs, and the wings is a direct result of a stagnant offense that isn't putting guys like Hayward in successful positions. In fact, other than Jefferson, who is having success in this offense? Burks stands out because HE DOESN'T RUN THE OFFENSE. He freelances, drives, gets to the hole and FT line. He makes something out of nothing. He's creating success DESPITE the offense not because of it.

This has NEVER been true of the Jazz offense. Typically, the Jazz offense made poor players look average and average players look very good. Instead, we're seeing an offensive system that is making our good and talented players, (Harris, Favors, Millsap, Hayward, etc) look worse than they really are.

The ONLY person who is looking half decent is Jefferson. Because the offense is (too) oriented towards him.

For example, take Hayward for example. Hayward's game isn't to stand out by the 3 point line and feed the ball inside ala Kyle Korver. His game is more of an AK style, slashing, coming off picks, and creating off the dribble.

It's Ty's job to put players like Hayward in successful positions. He hasn't. Hence, our offense for a better portion of 2 years has sucked. Ya can't blame the horrible offense all on the losses of Booz, Memo, and Deron.

My rep gave you an extra green bar! I don't know what that means, but I feel cool.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

The extra 60 points alone is worth 5-6 more wins and we'd be screaming TY COY with a very respectable 25-15 record.

I'd say more like one or two...possibly three. An extra 60 points is less than extra two points per game. We have no clue where those points would come from but chances are, they come at home games where our players are more confident and we're winning anyway.

 

[franklin]

The disappointing part to me is over halfway through the season there's still no noticeable improvement in our execution and strategically

I agree it's disappointing but what do you expect when you're railing on CJ like you did below? They don't have any shooters at the arc and seemingly noone can run the Harpring/DeShawn curl with any efficiency. What choice does Corbin really have? (aside from playing the youngins and tanking like I want him to)

No backcourt.Devin Harris was a borderline all-star in NJ and excelled in situations where he was allowed to use his speed in the open court and driving down the lane. There's a reason Dallas traded him to get Jason Kidd. This was all out there, you knew exactly what Harris brought to the table and what he didn't. Same with Raja Bell - you saw what he did for you last season. There should be no suprises with veterans like Harris and Raja. Ultimately it's up to the coach to put players like them in the best position to succeed - whether that be on the court or on the bench.

Harris sucks ***. There's a reason NJ didn't win anything with him.

It is Ty's decision to not only play CJ 20 min a game

Legit. The only reason to play CJ ten seconds a game is to shop him. I'm giving KOC and Corbin by extension the benefit of the doubt. A lot on here are even saying CJ has worth to a contender needing a bench.

I'm not even sure what this means, but prior to the season everyone would have put Utah's stock of young talent and trade chips up against both the Warriors and the Kings.

Amusing. Jazz have no DeMarcus Cousins or Steph Curry level talent.

 

[franklin]

I'd say more like one or two...possibly three. An extra 60 points is less than extra two points per game. We have no clue where those points would come from but chances are, they come at home games where our players are more confident and we're winning anyway.

Better and more consistent 3 point shooting would help the lost games most. Teams tend to lose games they shoot the poorest. Sure it would also bring better margins in the wins but erasing those 1 for 16 games would be more visible. Plus, a huge 3 point shot goes a long way to kill those momentum runs that bury teams.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Amusing. Jazz have no DeMarcus Cousins or Steph Curry level talent.

I agree on most of your points but this one. Like you've said Harris did in NJ, Evans and Cousins have won jack**** in Sacramento. Not only have they not won but they've been pretty freakin' bad. And Cousins, who I like (almost love) by the way, is so talented that he's shooting 43.9% from the floor. The kid rebounds great. And he's quite, quite skilled. So yeah, he has talent. But so did Derrick Coleman. In spades. And it doesn't matter if it doesn't translate on the court. In short, my point is Cousins and Evans is far less talent than Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Jefferson and Millsap. In short, to say GS and Sacramento are loaded with talent is a joke. They have two players who have very good talent. They're hardly "loaded."

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Franklin,

We've shot 31.2% at home and 28.6% on the road. Assuming we went up at home to the modest 34% you mention (unless you want to be absurd and believe that we'd actually shoot better on the road), we would've had to have made another seven three pointers in our 20 home games thusfar in total for the season. That's another 21 points which means that we'd only get another 39 points over the 20 road games. Again, this is less than two points a game, even still.

By saying we'd win another 5-6 games, you're basically saying we'd have to somehow have shot better from three on the road than at home (not happening) or accumulated all 39 of those "extra points" in those five or six wins you say we'd have gotten, and not in any of the other 14 or 15 road games. Again, very, very unlikely.

 

[franklin]

So maybe I exaggerated the number, maybe not. There's too many variables to put any number on it.

The reasons behind the 5-6 number were outside shooting being streaky and the Jazz having a ton of exceptionally terrible 3 point shooting games. Jazz lost to Lakers and Mavericks at home in 3 point decisions with sub 30% free throw shooting.

That's just the first 15 games. Add 4 of 18 against TOR at home in a 5 point loss, 3 of 11 against the Clippers in a 2 point loss at home, and this thing is easily 4 more wins just from the increased points alone.

Start adding in the compounding effects like better floor spacing, AJ being willing to pass to a guy who can actually shoot, stopping runs, starting your own runs, not creating easy transition for the defense on long rebounds... Jazz could easily have 5 to 6 more wins.

I realize it's hard to say that with this squad (which only helps the case against Ty), but if it were something like:
AJ
Millsap
G. Wallace
Competent 2
Harris

then it would be much easier to picture a winning squad making a push for the 4th seed.

 

[franklin]

I agree on most of your points but this one. Like you've said Harris did in NJ, Evans and Cousins have won jack**** in Sacramento. Not only have they not won but they've been pretty freakin' bad. And Cousins, who I like (almost love) by the way, is so talented that he's shooting 43.9% from the floor. The kid rebounds great. And he's quite, quite skilled. So yeah, he has talent. But so did Derrick Coleman. In spades. And it doesn't matter if it doesn't translate on the court. In short, my point is Cousins and Evans is far less talent than Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Jefferson and Millsap. In short, to say GS and Sacramento are loaded with talent is a joke. They have two players who have very good talent. They're hardly "loaded."

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Tangent rant: I wasn't implying that talent = winning. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm more than pissed at Minny, GS, Clippers, and now Washington wasting good draft picks with ****ty internal management. Prolly the only time I agree with LeBron is selling two of these jackass owned teams to the waste bin.

 

[The Thriller]

Why, working inside out seems to work (esp in playoffs) & hopefully it has clicked w/ Al that passing back out opens up the game for everyone...

Having an inside/outside game is fine. So where are the postups to Millsap? Kanter? Favors? Drives for Burks, CJ, and Hayward? Where are the P&Rs with harris in order to get some good inside high percentage shots? Why not isolate Burks on Korver and let him drive and go inside?

Instead, we see a stagnant offense oriented around getting the ball inside to Jefferson. 4 guys sit out on the perimeter while Al Jefferson wastes the shot clock deciding on what to do. It hasn't really clicked unlike what you said. Jefferson is a volume shooter who doesn't get to the FT line. Nor is he good at passing. He's not an efficient player. Having a few good games with some assists against Dleague teams doesn't change that fact. Notice, how Jefferson gives you fools gold. He gives you good stats against teams without bigmen.

Case in point: Dfavors receiving 1 shot attempt against the Bulls. Jefferson going 8-19, NO FTs, and having just as many turnovers as assists against the Bulls is a perfect example of this.

https://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/boxscore?gameId=320310004

In this condensed season, I think he is trying to keep everyone involved. Enes is soo young & outside of his put-packs, his O still needs work (4th big). Burks aggressiveness is a breath of fresh air but we are just so deep at the wings, it's hard to get him playing time w/o the risk of losing CJ/Bell's contribution in this truncated season. My only criticism is Coach not playing the hot hands to close out the games (but he's not Coach Pop).

He shouldn't be focused on "keeping everyone involved." He needs to focus on getting this team to play good successful basketball. Playing Josh Howard and Raja Bell over Hayward and Burks is wrong. Enes is fine, he should get at least 15 minutes per game. His O will get better with PT and being involved in the offense. We've seen flashes, like against the Miami Heat. We just need to involve him. Same goes for Favors.

This team is still missing a perimeter threat. This is where i think Klay Thompson (taken just ahead of Burks) could've helped.

I agree that this team could use more perimeter shooters. But why would it matter? Klay would barely be playing with Raja, Howard, and CJ eating his minutes. Also, we could have Klay and Korver outside. As long as Jefferson keeps getting the ball, going 1 on 3, and preventing anyone else from getting into the flow of the game, we'd still look horrible outside.

I bet if we had knock-down shooters, this team would be much better w/ the way we utilize Al.

Doubt it. Jefferson has described himself as a "black hole." Our offense isn't designed to get the ball to knock down shooters... Or to even get them open. Notice how few curls we have anyone. Harpring would constantly (even when approaching retirement) run curls in our offense. Today? No one does.

Sounds like he & Burks are the same type of player then.

What's your point? We aren't utilizing Burks or Hayward.

Coach did have Hayward come off the bench & I think he should continue to do so, w/ Burks starting over Bell (please trade him to LAC for their TPE)

Sorry, Bell started again tonight. And if you think the Clippers would trade a TPE for Bell, then I have real estate in Florida to sell you....

 

[The Thriller]

I'm sorry Corbin backers, but your boy just committed thee #1 mistake a coach can ever make.... You cannot bow down to a cancerous player. You NEVER reward an unproductive, angry, and complaining player (Bell) with PT over players that just do their job (Burks).

He has lost a lot of credibility and respect.

The inmate is running the asylum now, and he isn't even a star (like Duron Williams was).

I honestly think, this could have long-term effects on this team. How will Hayward, Favors, Burks, etc trust in Corbin now that he has caved to Bell?

The message sent is, "If you don't like things, complain, and I'll bend over for you."

what is stopping Hayward or Burks from bitching now?

The floodgates have been opened.....

 

[Stoked]

I'm sorry Corbin backers, but your boy just committed thee #1 mistake a coach can ever make.... You cannot bow down to a cancerous player. You NEVER reward an unproductive, angry, and complaining player (Bell) with PT over players that just do their job (Burks).

He has lost a lot of credibility and respect.

The inmate is running the asylum now, and he isn't even a star (like Duron Williams was).

I honestly think, this could have long-term effects on this team. How will Hayward, Favors, Burks, etc trust in Corbin now that he has caved to Bell?

The message sent is, "If you don't like things, complain, and I'll bend over for you."

what is stopping Hayward or Burks from bitching now?

The floodgates have been opened.....

Unless this was a showcase that is a prelude to a trade (which I doubt) than I agree.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^^^ IF all of that is true, it's worse than you even spelled out. KOC allowed the same. I'm not convinced we have all the facts (we don't), but if we have even half the facts, it spells potential disaster .. no hyperbole. You cut a player or fire a coach .. you never cave, ever.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Burks was torched by Korver last game. I think Corbin wanted to let him think on that awhile. Burks will see plenty of minutes after the trade deadline, imo

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I'm sorry Corbin backers, but your boy just committed thee #1 mistake a coach can ever make.... You cannot bow down to a cancerous player. You NEVER reward an unproductive, angry, and complaining player (Bell) with PT over players that just do their job (Burks).

He has lost a lot of credibility and respect.

The inmate is running the asylum now, and he isn't even a star (like Duron Williams was).

I honestly think, this could have long-term effects on this team. How will Hayward, Favors, Burks, etc trust in Corbin now that he has caved to Bell?

The message sent is, "If you don't like things, complain, and I'll bend over for you."

what is stopping Hayward or Burks from bitching now?

The floodgates have been opened.....

It hopefully won't matter. Corbin should be fired at year end anyway.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

FWIW, Jefferson, in about the same amount of minutes as Millsap is averaging the same amount of assists, way more blocks, committing less fouls, grabbing more rebounds, and shooting at a clip just below that of Millsap. I'm sure another three weeks could swing those numbers a little more back in Millsap's favor but again, FWIW.

 

[franklin]

Corbin has now won two of his first three games in Los Angeles. You have to go all the way back to the 2005-2006 season to find the last win outside of Corbin's reign.

I'm not going as far as saying he's making a strong push for COY, but we'd be looking at possibly a 4th seed if the Jazz played in the weaker East.