JimLes
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Ok, let's look at this.
You have to report to training camp around Oct 1. Almost half of the players in the league will be done mid-April. That's about 200 days give or take. You have 41 games you play on the road where you either spend that night in the city you're playing in or on the plane to either SLC or another away game. That's 160 days. You also don't do "one-home, one-away" like they do in Europe. You might have 4-5 road games in a week. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the road-trippin' will add another 40 days where you're not in SLC. That's 120 days you are.
Of the 41 games you play at home, I think about 30 will be evening games that start at 7pm and end around 10pm. Factor in post-game interviews, the fact that they presumably shower, and I can't imagine most players leaving the arena before 11. Do NBA players really go to clubs after every one of those games? That's about 90 or so days when you are in SLC and don't have a game. Of those 90 days, only 2/7 can be Fridays and Saturdays. That's about 25 days. Is it really THAT important for you to be able to make it rain like James Harden during every one of those days?
Some of these players pretend as if their lives are a continuous stream of parties, champagne rooms, strippers, and blow. As much as I think little of your average NBA player, I know that's not true. The season is grueling. Why do they make it sound like they're going to spend most of their time enjoying the nightlife?
You have to report to training camp around Oct 1. Almost half of the players in the league will be done mid-April. That's about 200 days give or take. You have 41 games you play on the road where you either spend that night in the city you're playing in or on the plane to either SLC or another away game. That's 160 days. You also don't do "one-home, one-away" like they do in Europe. You might have 4-5 road games in a week. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the road-trippin' will add another 40 days where you're not in SLC. That's 120 days you are.
Of the 41 games you play at home, I think about 30 will be evening games that start at 7pm and end around 10pm. Factor in post-game interviews, the fact that they presumably shower, and I can't imagine most players leaving the arena before 11. Do NBA players really go to clubs after every one of those games? That's about 90 or so days when you are in SLC and don't have a game. Of those 90 days, only 2/7 can be Fridays and Saturdays. That's about 25 days. Is it really THAT important for you to be able to make it rain like James Harden during every one of those days?
Some of these players pretend as if their lives are a continuous stream of parties, champagne rooms, strippers, and blow. As much as I think little of your average NBA player, I know that's not true. The season is grueling. Why do they make it sound like they're going to spend most of their time enjoying the nightlife?
♪alt13
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It definitely has calmed down. Everyone that was young had kids and decided to stay in the city and eat up all the housing. Plus the younguns that should be replacing us are still playing xbox and living with their parents.
NAOS
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I grew up in SLC, too, and during my time there I found quite a few good places to hang out.
When I was there last year for about 3 weeks, I barely found a living soul in any of the places I used to go. So I started searching for new places. Nobody. When this emptiness got paired with the inversion... damn, I was itching to leave.
♪alt13
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The funny thing is that the city has never been more full. It's just that the demographics have changed.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865586964/Salt-Lake-County-has-tight-apartment-vacancy-rate-report-says.html?pg=all
Come on Ty, Fashion Place is dope!
They have a Cheesecake Factory now!
Read that whole AMA. Was pretty hilarious generally.
I think if that's the perception it just shows how important drafting is for the Jazz. If the Jazz draft well, this player is in town for 9 years. Between 19 and 28 most NBA players accidentally or intentionally become fathers. If you draft two very good players and continue to draft well for position and add productive 3rd and 4th year players continually to the core lineup, you can attract guys from the outside. If not then they'll probably select a bigger city that either has already talent to compete in place or select a team where they can start one being "the man".
I think if that's the perception it just shows how important drafting is for the Jazz. If the Jazz draft well, this player is in town for 9 years. Between 19 and 28 most NBA players accidentally or intentionally become fathers. If you draft two very good players and continue to draft well for position and add productive 3rd and 4th year players continually to the core lineup, you can attract guys from the outside. If not then they'll probably select a bigger city that either has already talent to compete in place or select a team where they can start one being "the man".
QuinSnydersHair
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People, I'm going to be the voice for the AA community and say that black guys who grew up on the streets with other blacks don't wanna be surrounded by 75%+ white folk and less than 3% black folk. They want to be in cities that feel "familiar" to them. Cities they can relate to better, where they and their family fit in better. Cities where there is more to do. Much more to do. And ones where they don't have to freeze their asses off half the year.
The lack of objectivity on this board on this matter never ceases to amaze me.
The lack of objectivity on this board on this matter never ceases to amaze me.
Ahh, so that's why all the black players for the Warriors lived around E. 14th Street in Oakland instead of lily white Bay Farm Island...so they could be around all the brothers. Got it.
QuinSnydersHair
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I'm not sure of your tone here but if that was an honest attempt at an analogy it wasn't very good. Let's just have some honesty here. If I'm a single 22-23 year old first time free agent and I'm black and I can go live in a major city that's diverse where I feel comfortable, like I fit in, and where I can get laid daily because there are a lot of good clubs/bars and hot *** Latinas, whites and blacks, I'm living there. Not SLC where the drinking laws stink and where less than 3% of the population is black and white weird *** Mormons (the outsiders' generalization) walk the streets like it's Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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Pretty good choices. I would add in Green Street, Dimitris, banana joes, and Sandy Station.
Hooka bar is/was pretty cool too
Curry and Thompson are half white, how do they qualify?
Also you don't have to live in these "neighbourhoods" to sign sneakers at foot locker for them and have a brief chat.
I'm also quite positive some chicks from these neighbourhoods will try to dress pretty, get pregnant and negotiate custody as happily as Trey Burke sends them nude selfies...
It's more than ust SLC. It is all over Utah. In St. George you have to get a city permit to have a dance otherwise the cops shut you down.
To me it's belied by the fact that most of these players choose to live in neighborhoods that are the opposite of diverse. They are exclusive to the point where even most whitey's have no shot whatsoever in living there. And there are plenty of places in Oakland to live if you want diversity.
Fishsticks
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It has less to with being around other minorities as it does having a vibrant nightlife and a scene worth being seen in. If all of SLC white women whored out like other big city ho's of any race, no one would be saying how boring SLC is and complain about diversity.
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Is this a joke?
jope
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While i agree that if i was famous, young, single, and rich, SLC wouldn't be on my hotlist, (hell, who am i kidding, i'm none of those things and its still not on my hotlist) it is comparable to some other small market NBA cities (Portland, Denver, San Antonio) in terms of white population % (what we lack in blacks we make up for with a relatively strong --and quickly growing-- latino population). Cultural and religious differences, weather, pollution, and lack of bars (I saw one statistic of only about 120 bars for >1M people in the metro... crazy!) are what i would deem as major detriments to outside perception.
City %White %NonWhite
Portland 76 24
Salt Lake 74 26
San Antonio 73 27
Denver 69 31
Phoenix 67 33
Milwaukee 65 35
Oklahoma City 63 37
Indianapolis 62 38
*quickfacts.census.gov
Dead serious. St. George is a "Footloose" town.
On 10/24/14 a local kids game place called "Fiesta Fun" threw a halloween party. They have bumper boats, go carts, an arcade, miniture golf and they added food, music and dancing.
The cops showed up and told them that since they did not have a dancing permit that if dancing happened they would be forced to shut down the event. Then 2-3 cops stayed behind to make sure no one danced. The police chief showed up a short will later and posted a sign warning against dancing.
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No, it's Utah.