Ty - starting to take us down.....

[udflyer]

His latest comments on the WIngs


Tyrone Corbin on a lack of consistentcy at the wing position and a rotating cast of players: It really is [a feel thing]. And we've got to find out where we're going to get the production; who's going that night. Tonight, nobody really made any shots with any consistency, so we tried to get something in. Alec [Burks] didn't make any. C.J. missed a few. Josh [Howard] made the one layup down there … Gordon [Hayward] didn't make any perimeter shots. It's difficult when you don't make shots outside. Raja [Bell] did a good job, he made some. But we've got to get some perimeter jumpshots out there.

/soap box
We all know (without saying it) that you must perform to stay on the court.

But Ty has his Wings developing head cases

There was a tweet by a Jazz blogger several days ago that at least 3 players were afraid to shoot because they will get pulled if they miss.

Hayward was 1/1 with 4 assists when Ty sat him 16 straight minutes. How the heck are you supposed to be "in the game"
Hayward's best games are when he takes at least 11/12 shots. In all those games he is close to 50% shooting as well.

CJ hustled, did miss some but was only 1/5. How many times have we seen Deron start 0/6 then go 8 / 16 ?


Burks missed an easy put back, so what.

Ty may be an x's and o's guy (maybe?) but his psychology is horrible.

Now he has a morning shootaround today (which they never do on back--> backs's) .... whatever.


This games is 50% mental, Ty is now screwing with fragile psyches of many youngsters.


Ahhhhhhhhh ... can we get a real coach.


/off soap box

 

[cowhide]

If our wings get their feelings hurt because the coach sees them sucking then are they really the type of players you want on the team. I am not saying that Ty's rotation is great but if a player is constantly sucking and you have other options why not try them?

If I were coach I would play a rotation of Bell, Burks and Hayward. I would tell CJ if he doesn't start going to the hoop more when his shot is falling he will be benched. As much as I liked Howard at the beginning of the year, he is not the same player since his injury occurred.

Another option is to platoon the SG/SF position for each game, with the condensed schedule I would play Burks/Hayward the majority of one game and the next game I would play CJ/Howard. The guys would know their role and know they were not going to get pulled if they screwed up. This helps with the fatigue factor and might let the wings relax and focus on playing well.

In the end, the Jazz players need to play hard whether they play 5 minutes or 35 minutes. The only other option is for Ty to keep playing a player who is sucking which as we know doesn't go to well in Jazzland. Unfortunately, doing this doesn't ensure the Jazz wings will play better. The reality is that CJ and Howard are not very good. Maybe Ty just needs to say Burks and Hayward you are the future and you are my guys and tell CJ and Howard to be ready but Bell, Burks and Hayward are going to get the majority of minutes.

 

[NAOS]

I have three complaints about yesterday's game. I don't think I've been as upset by a loss all season as this one, and the reason I'm upset goes to the coaching staff (which has been buffered from critique because of the shortened season, few practices, etc.). So, I think these comments belong in this thread.

1. Mr. I-can't-find-a-rhythm Hayward came out flowing: 4 or 5 early dimes, made one of his first two shots. It's clear as ****ing day to any coach with an eye for development that the offense needs to cater to him a little bit... run some plays for him, set some screens to get him into the lane, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, let him keep playing if he starts to find a rhythm. But, Hayward picks up a BS charging foul (his second personal), and the coach dutifully yanks him. We are a "deep" enough team to be able to deal with 3 fouls from Gordon. Let him find a stride. <-- That should be one of the items on the coaches' checklist; create those conditions every night

2. the jazz's almost total ineptness in transition offense and creating points out of turnovers. To me, this is starting to be an issue that you hang on the coaches. A well-drilled team goes into halftime up by 10+ points. I could also mention our ZERO free throws. Our one-dimensional offense isn't creating any easy buckets. You can't win that way. If you preach defense, then the first thing your team should be well-drilled in is creating points off of turnovers.

3. with about 6 minutes to go in the game Corbin dutifully substitutes Jefferson for Kanter. He's doing this on autopilot. This is despite the fact that Kanter was part of the squad that had brought us back from a 13 point deficit to a 2 point deficit AND despite the fact that Parsons is playing SF at the time. Now, I have problems with the autopilot substitution as a principal; a more creative coach would have either ridden Kanter-Millsap for a bit longer, or, if he desired to put Jefferson into the game, might have seen this as an ideal opportunity to slide Millsap to the 3. Either Millsap burns him or we make a rookie beat us in a tight game or we make a young coach change his lineup.

As it was, Ty just plodded along the predictable path. What does Tom Thibodeau -- a coach that preaches, teaches, and believes in defense -- do in close games? Does he put Boozer back in for the stretch run? No. He sticks with Gibson and the MAKE-A-STOP-AT-ALL-COSTS crew because that is consistent with what he teaches about winning games. Defense. Corbin has pinned his reputation on defense. Is subbing Jefferson in at the end of close games consistent with this ethos?

Not only is Jefferson a poor defender (his LEAVING an unconsciously hot Lowry wide open for a 3 so that he could hustle back to stop Dalembert was just one mistake during the stretch run), but committing to him as our offensive linchpin in close games has serious problems, too. Any good opposing team is going to be better defensively during that stretch run than they have been the rest of the game. Putting Jefferson in and proceeding to give them the same pitch they've set their swing to is a plain-and-simple bad idea. Millsap is a much better guy to ride because he can score and pass in more ways... and at least he can keep our offense unpredictable.

I'm not even going to go into the CJ debacle. One could argue that he was left in there because of his defensive play. Well, I'd let that slide if Corbin had committed to defense, which, as I've argued, he hasn't.

If the team sometimes wonder if they have an "identity problem"... well... perhaps there is a reason for that.

 

[zman1527]

If our wings get their feelings hurt because the coach sees them sucking then are they really the type of players you want on the team.

One of the things that always impressed me about a Phil Jackson team, probably also Pops, was his ability to instill whatever into role players to where they shot confidently and well. I suspect it is a confidence thing and certain coaches have a way of giving that to their players, most critically their role players. Unfortunately, Ty seems to have learned everything he knows about this topic from Ol' Jer. And it is working about as well. Other than Hornacek, did we ever have a good and dependable wing shooter under Jer? So to me, you are likely very wrong about this. Confidence is a very critical part of shooting well, and coaches have the power to destroy or build that confidence.

 

[Hantlers]

One of the things that always impressed me about a Phil Jackson team, probably also Pops, was his ability to instill whatever into role players to where they shot confidently and well. I suspect it is a confidence thing and certain coaches have a way of giving that to their players, most critically their role players. Unfortunately, Ty seems to have learned everything he knows about this topic from Ol' Jer. And it is working about as well. Other than Hornacek, did we ever have a good and dependable wing shooter under Jer? So to me, you are likely very wrong about this. Confidence is a very critical part of shooting well, and coaches have the power to destroy or build that confidence.

Kyle Korver says hi. Ya know...he set the 3-point record with us...

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I have thought that I would rather have Nate mcmillen if Portland gets rid of him.

 

[Jerry Lundegaard]

Corbin has really dropped the ball with his rotation of the wing players all year. The equal playing time schtick has worn out, and its time one of them gets cut out of the rotation completely (Sorry J-Ho.. you've had plenty of chances to prove yourself). Hayward got off to an excellent start last night then was inexplicably benched the entire second quarter. He must be playing at least 30 minutes a game to start to develop some consistency, and a killer instinct.

The rotation of the wings, and Ty himself, seems like a luxury when compared to our point guard situation and production - Jesus Christ.

 

[zman1527]

Kyle Korver says hi. Ya know...he set the 3-point record with us...

Agreed, forgot about him. Note that the two we have so far, Horny and Korver, were both established vets with great shooting skills when they came here. So it could be said that Ol' Jer never developed a wing who could shoot that I can think of. P Jackson on the other hand seemed to boost the shooting percentage of everyone who played for him.

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

Agree with all the concerns i am reading here. Truth- more than likely TyCo would be in the hot seat with any other team other than the Utah Jazz. The teams record is really no worse at this point than most had expected yet there is
a definite concern among us that the team is not being lead as well as they could be. I know that is my feeling. Generally i am not a fan of changing coaches at the drop of a hat, but i really don't like what i see.

 

[Bodhi]

I have three complaints about yesterday's game. I don't think I've been as upset by a loss all season as this one, and the reason I'm upset goes to the coaching staff (which has been buffered from critique because of the shortened season, few practices, etc.). So, I think these comments belong in this thread.

1. Mr. I-can't-find-a-rhythm Hayward came out flowing: 4 or 5 early dimes, made one of his first two shots. It's clear as ****ing day to any coach with an eye for development that the offense needs to cater to him a little bit... run some plays for him, set some screens to get him into the lane, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, let him keep playing if he starts to find a rhythm. But, Hayward picks up a BS charging foul (his second personal), and the coach dutifully yanks him. We are a "deep" enough team to be able to deal with 3 fouls from Gordon. Let him find a stride. <-- That should be one of the items on the coaches' checklist; create those conditions every night

2. the jazz's almost total ineptness in transition offense and creating points out of turnovers. To me, this is starting to be an issue that you hang on the coaches. A well-drilled team goes into halftime up by 10+ points. I could also mention our ZERO free throws. Our one-dimensional offense isn't creating any easy buckets. You can't win that way. If you preach defense, then the first thing your team should be well-drilled in is creating points off of turnovers.

3. with about 6 minutes to go in the game Corbin dutifully substitutes Jefferson for Kanter. He's doing this on autopilot. This is despite the fact that Kanter was part of the squad that had brought us back from a 13 point deficit to a 2 point deficit AND despite the fact that Parsons is playing SF at the time. Now, I have problems with the autopilot substitution as a principal; a more creative coach would have either ridden Kanter-Millsap for a bit longer, or, if he desired to put Jefferson into the game, might have seen this as an ideal opportunity to slide Millsap to the 3. Either Millsap burns him or we make a rookie beat us in a tight game or we make a young coach change his lineup.

As it was, Ty just plodded along the predictable path. What does Tom Thibodeau -- a coach that preaches, teaches, and believes in defense -- do in close games? Does he put Boozer back in for the stretch run? No. He sticks with Gibson and the MAKE-A-STOP-AT-ALL-COSTS crew because that is consistent with what he teaches about winning games. Defense. Corbin has pinned his reputation on defense. Is subbing Jefferson in at the end of close games consistent with this ethos?

Not only is Jefferson a poor defender (his LEAVING an unconsciously hot Lowry wide open for a 3 so that he could hustle back to stop Dalembert was just one mistake during the stretch run), but committing to him as our offensive linchpin in close games has serious problems, too. Any good opposing team is going to be better defensively during that stretch run than they have been the rest of the game. Putting Jefferson in and proceeding to give them the same pitch they've set their swing to is a plain-and-simple bad idea. Millsap is a much better guy to ride because he can score and pass in more ways... and at least he can keep our offense unpredictable.

I'm not even going to go into the CJ debacle. One could argue that he was left in there because of his defensive play. Well, I'd let that slide if Corbin had committed to defense, which, as I've argued, he hasn't.

If the team sometimes wonder if they have an "identity problem"... well... perhaps there is a reason for that.

Fantastic post, top to bottom.

 

[UtahJazzV4FTW]

The rotations have been horrible lately. Stop benching guys for 15 minutes and then inserting them with 3 minutes left in the game!!! RHYTHM KILLER! (not to mention confidence)

 

[freakazoid]

Somebody's gotta drive the tank.

 

[NUMBERICA]

"Us"???

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Have patience new Jazzfan.

As long as we continue to perform good at home, I won't be too upset. We are going to suck on the road most nights.

 

[SojoDave]

I got great seats a few rows behind the bench at one of the games. CJ took a 3, it was within the offense and the clock was running out. Ty yanked him and chewed him out for taking a wild 3. CJ had a discouraged look on his face and went to the bench. I don't think Ty actually tries to get a player a free look to gain their confidence. I think the only play Ty knows is "get the ball to Jefferson". I think Ty is hurting Hayward, CJ, and Burks. No wonder we are near the bottom in 3-point shooting.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I got great seats a few rows behind the bench at one of the games. CJ took a 3, it was within the offense and the clock was running out. Ty yanked him and chewed him out for taking a wild 3. CJ had a discouraged look on his face and went to the bench. I don't think Ty actually tries to get a player a free look to gain their confidence. I think the only play Ty knows is "get the ball to Jefferson". I think Ty is hurting Hayward, CJ, and Burks. No wonder we are near the bottom in 3-point shooting.

So in other words, Jazz replaced Sloan with a poor man's version of Sloan - a coach who has no concept of how to run an offense in today's NBA.

 

[kwb]

Player: Coach, I'm going to either shoot or not pass to Big Al. Is that ok?

Corbin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeNWkBYDMxQ&feature=related

 

[asian_roger]

The many faces we make while watching Ty's rotations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pzUzSypE010

 

[Grandpa Jazz]

So in other words, Jazz replaced Sloan with a poor man's version of Sloan - a coach who has no concept of how to run an offense in today's NBA.

This is what is scaring the beejezus out of me. Thank you Glasseater for agreeing with my viewpoint (i guess i'm agreeing with yours, huh?). It's true, misery does love company.

 

[squareinthecircle]

I have three complaints about yesterday's game. I don't think I've been as upset by a loss all season as this one, and the reason I'm upset goes to the coaching staff (which has been buffered from critique because of the shortened season, few practices, etc.). So, I think these comments belong in this thread.

1. Mr. I-can't-find-a-rhythm Hayward came out flowing: 4 or 5 early dimes, made one of his first two shots. It's clear as ****ing day to any coach with an eye for development that the offense needs to cater to him a little bit... run some plays for him, set some screens to get him into the lane, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, let him keep playing if he starts to find a rhythm. But, Hayward picks up a BS charging foul (his second personal), and the coach dutifully yanks him. We are a "deep" enough team to be able to deal with 3 fouls from Gordon. Let him find a stride. <-- That should be one of the items on the coaches' checklist; create those conditions every night

2. the jazz's almost total ineptness in transition offense and creating points out of turnovers. To me, this is starting to be an issue that you hang on the coaches. A well-drilled team goes into halftime up by 10+ points. I could also mention our ZERO free throws. Our one-dimensional offense isn't creating any easy buckets. You can't win that way. If you preach defense, then the first thing your team should be well-drilled in is creating points off of turnovers.

3. with about 6 minutes to go in the game Corbin dutifully substitutes Jefferson for Kanter. He's doing this on autopilot. This is despite the fact that Kanter was part of the squad that had brought us back from a 13 point deficit to a 2 point deficit AND despite the fact that Parsons is playing SF at the time. Now, I have problems with the autopilot substitution as a principal; a more creative coach would have either ridden Kanter-Millsap for a bit longer, or, if he desired to put Jefferson into the game, might have seen this as an ideal opportunity to slide Millsap to the 3. Either Millsap burns him or we make a rookie beat us in a tight game or we make a young coach change his lineup.

As it was, Ty just plodded along the predictable path. What does Tom Thibodeau -- a coach that preaches, teaches, and believes in defense -- do in close games? Does he put Boozer back in for the stretch run? No. He sticks with Gibson and the MAKE-A-STOP-AT-ALL-COSTS crew because that is consistent with what he teaches about winning games. Defense. Corbin has pinned his reputation on defense. Is subbing Jefferson in at the end of close games consistent with this ethos?

Not only is Jefferson a poor defender (his LEAVING an unconsciously hot Lowry wide open for a 3 so that he could hustle back to stop Dalembert was just one mistake during the stretch run), but committing to him as our offensive linchpin in close games has serious problems, too. Any good opposing team is going to be better defensively during that stretch run than they have been the rest of the game. Putting Jefferson in and proceeding to give them the same pitch they've set their swing to is a plain-and-simple bad idea. Millsap is a much better guy to ride because he can score and pass in more ways... and at least he can keep our offense unpredictable.

I'm not even going to go into the CJ debacle. One could argue that he was left in there because of his defensive play. Well, I'd let that slide if Corbin had committed to defense, which, as I've argued, he hasn't.

If the team sometimes wonder if they have an "identity problem"... well... perhaps there is a reason for that.

Nice work! Post of the Year candidate.