I got "the joke"
Under Trump North Korea Can Now Destroy Any U.S. City
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Grand conspiracy involving thousands of co-conspirators alert!
I paid one of my highest compliments to Trump I ever paid in that post, yet you simple-minded lot thought it was a dig.
Obama accomplished zero with NK.
Bush Accomplished zero with NK.
Clinton probably enabled the current situation more than any other U.S. leader. Just as he set the table for "Operation Iraqi Freedom" that could have been avoided had he not been an imbecile.
My posts here have reflected two things. One, that trump is full of bravado and bluster, and I feel that if you make large claims you should make large gains. Trump has failed to do so. But two, not only has Trump not made gains, he has overseen the largest jumps in NK's advancement of their Missile/Nuke program ever. I wonder if NK is being encouraged by other players, as the world sees the U.S. as weak right now due to Trump's incompetence and seeming mental instability.
I had honestly hoped that Trump would frighten our enemies based on his personality and "boldness" so that they would take a step back and try to asses.
It doesn't matter who our President is, we still have the most powerful military human civilization has ever seen. He can be an idiot, but if he gives the green light we are better at killing people and breaking things than anyone else, and it's not even close. So I figured China and Russia would be a little hesitant, more hesitant than they were with more methodical more "controlled" President's, thinking that any random offense could cause a conflict that they couldn't predict and couldn't handle.
But that hasn't proven to be the case. Trump is not scaring our adversaries into submission. They feel that this is a time for accelerated pressure against us. Trump... Trump... This President, has failed to accomplish anything, and in fact, is putting us in the worst possible situation at teh worst possible time.
Go read Sun Tzu "The Art of War" and get back to me. If you need a copy I have one you could borrow.
DutchJazzer
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also you may not know this,. but isis is losing teritory and ground day by day. but you wont hear of that, because it does not fit the narrative. so they only mention it a minimally like a few seconds a day!
foreign policy of trump is not being reported on the good news
DutchJazzer
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did you also take into account what has been going on in lybia recently!
slavery is back. you shoudl broaden your horizons, men are getting captured and sold into slavery. sterilized in a barbaric way!
but yeah of course obamas policy was better, what you know of of course
I'm willing to bet far more than you. Yes, I am aware of Libya. It isn't "back". It's always been.
Yes, comparatively speaking Obama's policies were "better". Even when I didn't like a prove or support them.
DutchJazzer
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well i disagree, because it seems people spend way more time on reporting and talking about the negative parts of donald's policies, and trying to hide the positive parts. and doing the opposite to Obama's foreign policy
That simply depends on your source. Right wing sites blasted Obama 24/7.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Gameface doesn't give a rat's *** where the uranium goes. Guess what America, Russia already has plenty of it and enough nuclear warheads to blow earth out of orbit. Haven't you heard of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons?
Russia has been "dumping" uranium from their old warheads onto the market and it's shut down plenty of our mines. The Uranium One mine outside of Ticaboo, UT for example had to shut down due to low pricing and/or ore content. These mines trade hands a lot due to solvency coupled to speculative interests.
The point where GF is incorrect is not knowing that Russia got control of Uranium One's mining interests in IIRC Ukraine. They did get ore out of the deal, but again, that's beside the point. The main thing that matters out of this scandal is how it exposed corruption that hasn't been held by the Justice Department to the same standards that non-elite insiders are held to, and now Trump is being held to.
And if there are prosecutable offenses tied to the UO deal I'm all for them being pursued. If Hillary Clinton is guilty then prosecute the **** out of her. If she had won the Presidency she'd be under 100x the scrutiny she is currently, as it should be. If she had won the Presidency and I was paying attention to her instead of Trump, you bet your *** I'd be calling for her to be held accountable for any crimes she's committed. Joe suggesting otherwise makes me understand better who Joe is and how little he has paid attention to the things I actually say.
The Thriller
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It should be pointed out that Bill Clinton had a deal in place with the North Koreans to end their weapons program. It was nixed by the Bush administration. Once the trust between our civilian government and North Korea eroded under Bush, North Korea has been full steam ahead with its weapons program. The Kim family knows that in order to prevent themselves from becoming the next American overthrown Hussein or Taliban, they must arm themselves to the teeth and use their nuclear weapons as a deterrent.
So, has everyone’s opinions on the possibility of war with N. Korea changed?
I think it is more and more likely. What I’m looking at now is what everyone else is doing.
Like the dramatic weakening of ties between Russia and India and the resulting Indian shift to America.
The Iran and Saudi chess moves in the middle east. Looks like it could be Iran and company (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen’s Houthi, Oman, Pakistan and Afghanistan) v Saudi and company (Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain and Yemeni gov).
Israel and Saudi Arabia are mending ties and quickly.
Turkey getting much friendlier with Russia and Iran as their NATO standing deteriorates.
The growing push for a unified EU army and increased defense spending. Germany, France, Belgium, Romania, Czech Republic and Slovenia all have started tying their militaries together outside of NATO.
Meanwhile the Baltic’s and Poland are training citizens, building bunkers, hosting increased NATO forces.
Russia continues to improve ties to China and former USSR states like Belarus and the “Stans”
Vietnam and the Philippens cannot decide where they belong...
World is in an extreme state of flux and the chances of widespread confrontation are growing at an alarming rate.
My question is not about if we go to N korea but how big would that war get?
I think it is more and more likely. What I’m looking at now is what everyone else is doing.
Like the dramatic weakening of ties between Russia and India and the resulting Indian shift to America.
The Iran and Saudi chess moves in the middle east. Looks like it could be Iran and company (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen’s Houthi, Oman, Pakistan and Afghanistan) v Saudi and company (Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain and Yemeni gov).
Israel and Saudi Arabia are mending ties and quickly.
Turkey getting much friendlier with Russia and Iran as their NATO standing deteriorates.
The growing push for a unified EU army and increased defense spending. Germany, France, Belgium, Romania, Czech Republic and Slovenia all have started tying their militaries together outside of NATO.
Meanwhile the Baltic’s and Poland are training citizens, building bunkers, hosting increased NATO forces.
Russia continues to improve ties to China and former USSR states like Belarus and the “Stans”
Vietnam and the Philippens cannot decide where they belong...
World is in an extreme state of flux and the chances of widespread confrontation are growing at an alarming rate.
My question is not about if we go to N korea but how big would that war get?
I have long had a fear that our adversaries, the biggest of which are Russia and China, have been talking and coordinating to a certain extent, waiting for the U.S. to blunder. I think they see NK as a possible U.S. blunder waiting to happen and I speculate that they may be encouraging NK, hoping it provokes the U.S. into a massive error that can set a series of events in motion that they believe will remove the U.S. as the sole world superpower, and possibly leave us a step behind them (China and Russia).
I feel that they may have a sense of urgency with the least competent President in modern U.S. history in office.
♪alt13
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North Korea is not Iraq or Libya.
1) They have the 4th largest military on the planet in terms of manpower.
2) They have conventional weapons capable of decimating S.Korea.
3) They would be backed either overtly or covertly by both Russia and China if we invaded.
The costs are on a different level. The US wouldn't consider attacking N. Korea simply to liberate it for democracy and the good guys. That's why we haven't. The Kim's know that. They have plenty of deterrence already.
These weapons are meant to decrease US support of our allies, push the US out of the region, and for NK ro be free to extort her neighbors. Would a US president risk American cities to stand strong with South Korea? Highly doubtful.
Nuclear weapons free Kim to be more aggressive. They are not merely a deterrent.
I'm just tired of our media running fake news and fear mongering on us. And B. whinning.
we have had.... and Russia has.... and China has..... the ability to take our nuclear missiles launched in their direction. Fast missiles that can knock out other missiles. It's the EMP we need to do something about when (if) any of us do that. SDI happened in the eighties. . . . kinda made it cool to just start dismantling nukes.
this should be next on humanity's bucket list.
Brit geopolitics is all about dividing the big countries against each other and provoking some stupid war. Our media is playing the Brit tune. We should insult our stupid politicians and news/fearmongering talking heads. They know nothing.
Russia, China, India and Brazil..... hmmmmm BRIC or BRICA including Argentina I think, and Spain and even Panama are getting something going along a new political/economic system. We should run with them.
we have had.... and Russia has.... and China has..... the ability to take our nuclear missiles launched in their direction. Fast missiles that can knock out other missiles. It's the EMP we need to do something about when (if) any of us do that. SDI happened in the eighties. . . . kinda made it cool to just start dismantling nukes.
this should be next on humanity's bucket list.
Brit geopolitics is all about dividing the big countries against each other and provoking some stupid war. Our media is playing the Brit tune. We should insult our stupid politicians and news/fearmongering talking heads. They know nothing.
Russia, China, India and Brazil..... hmmmmm BRIC or BRICA including Argentina I think, and Spain and even Panama are getting something going along a new political/economic system. We should run with them.