US Moving Embassy

[Stoked]

You've already said that you don't care about people in other countries.

I gave you a reason and you chose to ignore it. Another reason is that it's a step towards conflict resolution. The status quo isn't working and things need to move forward at some point. Another reason is that we have a diplomatic presence there for Palestinian relations (The US Consulate General in Jerusalem). Recognizing Palestine but not our strongest ally in the region makes no sense. This is also a show of strength and a statement that we back Israel's claim to Jerusalem. That's important, unless you're an appeaser.

Your sensationalized armchair tale of Arabs and Muslim nations all becoming irrational over this is not the self-evident fact you believe and portray. It's also degrading to those peoples and continues to deepen this condescending view that they will react irrationally. Saudi Arabia, for example since you mentioned them, is our ally and this embassy isn't coming close to changing that. They don't need to publicly kiss Israel's finger ring. The royal family isn't going to change their tone based on a symbolic embassy move. Arabs and Muslims are people too and they will think things through.

You didn't give me squat originally.

How do you feel this aids the Israeli/Palestinian peace attempts?



http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/08...cision-sparks-day-of-rage-across-middle-east/

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Thousands-protest-in-Jordan-burn-US-and-Israeli-flags-517463

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/worldwide-protests-over-trump-move-on-Jerusalem

Yup, looks like it is going swell.

But hey, that's enough with trying to change the discussion.

This doesn't help us and you have yet to spin a yarn about how it will. That is what this post was about.

 

[franklin]

You didn't give me squat originally.

How do you feel this aids the Israeli/Palestinian peace attempts?

How does a move towards solidifying a stance in this decades long tension not help? It has to happen sooner or later. Are you pretending everyone will simply chill out and hug after some time? One will own the place and the other won't. I also don't care about your Jordanian protest article; that battle was settled 50 years ago and it's not going to change. Let them protest, it's not changing.

Trump is attempting to open the door for diplomatic relations between Palestine and Israel, and peace. The 2 presidents before Obama did jack squat other than further demonize the Palestinians while using Jews for advantage by putting them on the poor them pedestal that we all were ingrained with during childhood WWII education. Obama couldn't do a damn thing about this because "YOU'RE A MUSLIM", so he went along with the status quo to appease us all instead of doing what he initially wanted by giving the West Bank back and starting peace negotiations.

Trump is taking a different route.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So nothing other then "at least it is different".

Same response I gave Dutch, good for them but I don't care. About any of them in any real way. I asked how this helps the U.S. and you could not give me a reason. I genuinely wanted to know. And all I have gotten back is deflection to muslims and jews. How trump gave the speech is irrelevant. How does this help the U.S.? Period, that's it.

Thanks for nothing lol.

You didn't give me squat originally.

How do you feel this aids the Israeli/Palestinian peace attempts?



http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/08...cision-sparks-day-of-rage-across-middle-east/

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Thousands-protest-in-Jordan-burn-US-and-Israeli-flags-517463

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/worldwide-protests-over-trump-move-on-Jerusalem

Yup, looks like it is going swell.

But hey, that's enough with trying to change the discussion.

This doesn't help us and you have yet to spin a yarn about how it will. That is what this post was about.

how about it shows the united nations that they ar enot the arbitars of truth.
as unesco is refering falsy in educational books and all material that jeruzalem belongs to muslim and islams. dneyonig any ties of israel and jews to jeruzalem, maybe except the west wall. which is litterllay just the western wall of our temple! that was theirr 1000's of years before this faux al asqa msque was build
and the 6 recent anti israel resolution!

the pursuit of truth is what you gain from it! if you do not think the truth is a goal in itself, that is ok!
btw i respect your isolasionist view.

 

[Stoked]

How does a move towards solidifying a stance in this decades long tension not help? It has to happen sooner or later. Are you pretending everyone will simply chill out and hug after some time? One will own the place and the other won't. I also don't care about your Jordanian protest article; that battle was settled 50 years ago and it's not going to change. Let them protest, it's not changing.

Trump is attempting to open the door for diplomatic relations between Palestine and Israel, and peace. The 2 presidents before Obama did jack squat other than further demonize the Palestinians while using Jews for advantage by putting them on the poor them pedestal that we all were ingrained with during childhood WWII education. Obama couldn't do a damn thing about this because "YOU'RE A MUSLIM", so he went along with the status quo to appease us all instead of doing what he initially wanted by giving the West Bank back and starting peace negotiations.

Trump is taking a different route.

This doesn't bring Palestine to the table or make peace any more of a viable option. I don't care what Bush and Obama did this isn't about them. It is clear that the current President is taking a different route but that doesn't mean it is the right one.

But OK, have fun looking for positives for the U.S.

 

[franklin]

This doesn't bring Palestine to the table or make peace any more of a viable option. I don't care what Bush and Obama did this isn't about them. It is clear that the current President is taking a different route but that doesn't mean it is the right one.

But OK, have fun looking for positives for the U.S.

You're not paying attention to anything I've said. You're holding a stubborn position. Trump changed the status quo that wasn't working. You want to keep the status quo that wasn't working.

 

[Stoked]

You're not paying attention to anything I've said. You're holding a stubborn position. Trump changed the status quo that wasn't working. You want to keep the status quo that wasn't working.

I get that. But I have yet to see any convincing argument to show that this helps the US. Changing the status quo is not necessarily good. This is great for Israel but it does not help any of our stated goals. Changing the status quo doesn't help that IMO.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Jerusalem was the original prayer direction before Mecca to Muslims. How is it not holy to Muslims again? I think this is an empty suggestion.

Then again, I don’t care one bit who holds what holy land. There is no such thing as a holy land to me. Just holy beliefs, ideals.

i am not allowed to discus the truth, anymore i got banned for stating facts. so yeah. have fun living in your echo chamber

 

[DutchJazzer]

ooh relly suddenly the place and only place on earth where jews cna built a temple(not to be confused with synagoge) just happens to be 1000's years later is the exact same place that is holy to islam? gtfo islamism is all about domination, rule the world, take over a territory and make the holy/important places your own by building a mosque!

IT IS WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!! recewntly they just did it in then hague, they are all doing it over europe searching for buildings on the market that have been churches and synagoges! they ar elike dogs pissing on trees!

this message had 0 swear words, and only facts! now it is heavily edited by the mods. so yeah, i cannot state the truth anymore

 

[Stoked]

this message had 0 swear words, and only facts! now it is heavily edited by the mods. so yeah, i cannot state the truth anymore

Keep spinning your narrative. I fully stand behind the infractions and bans you have received. If you continue to post as you have been it will not be long before you are serving another ban.

That is not a threat but a heads up. How you chose to proceed is on you and only you.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Keep spinning your narrative. I fully stand behind the infractions and bans you have received. If you continue to post as you have been it will not be long before you are serving another ban.

That is not a threat but a heads up. How you chose to proceed is on you and only you.

yes i will abide by the rules.

i stated nothing but truth. truth that you can easily retrace, maybe i should not have made the comment about dogs. maybe that is offensive it was not meant as offensive but just as the similarity between them marking territory, and all men and tribes mark territory different ways. i could go on and proof truth with different articles and passages in Koran and science and history of middle east. while unesco is trying to rewrite history

but lets leave it be, and remain jazzfriends. also on a related note where can i see my warnings and infractions. i am getting old and less tech savy cannot seem to find it

 

[Stoked]

yes i will abide by the rules.

i stated nothing but truth. truth that you can easily retrace, maybe i should not have made the comment about dogs. maybe that is offensive it was not meant as offensive but just as the similarity between them marking territory, and all men and tribes mark territory different ways. i could go on and proof truth with different articles and passages in Koran and science and history of middle east. while unesco is trying to rewrite history

but lets leave it be, and remain jazzfriends. also on a related note where can i see my warnings and infractions. i am getting old and less tech savy cannot seem to find it

I go to "Members" then select your name.
There will a tab on the right side of the screen called "warnings"
Click on it and there you are.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I go to "Members" then select your name.
There will a tab on the right side of the screen called "warnings"
Click on it and there you are.

thanks

 

[franklin]

this message had 0 swear words, and only facts! now it is heavily edited by the mods. so yeah, i cannot state the truth anymore

The moderating here is mind boggling at times and this is one of them. Your post has plenty of historical evidence to back it up, even if it might not be a fully correct interpretation.

Sometimes I think the moderators don't want anyone to post here anymore so they don't have to do a job they volunteered for but can't give up for some odd reason.

 

[DutchJazzer]

The moderating here is mind boggling at times and this is one of them. Your post has plenty of historical evidence to back it up, even if it might not be a fully correct interpretation.

Sometimes I think the moderators don't want anyone to post here anymore so they don't have to do a job they volunteered for but can't give up for some odd reason.

thanks for sticking up for me even if we dont agree on other politics

well i decided to let the left wing and pro Muslim echo chamber stand. and for 2 weeks i felt guilty wondering whatever swearwords i used, waiting for the day the ban is lifted just so i could see the post that got me banned. of all the post i went through, that was the one i least expected.

it was not an attack on muslims, hell saturday a muslim was here at my house, today i met specifically went to a muslim i knew form school to wish him a nice end of 2017. and met another one we talked for hours. i dont hate muslims, after all not all of them are the same you have few different sect just google it Wikipedia. some don't even deny the facts i stated, some do they deny it, but at least they let me speak. one even became kinda non religious because i told him to independently research those facts ask the imams. now he says he is still believes in god or in his case Allah, but he does not trust Islamic religious leaders anymore!

Jerusalem was the original prayer direction before Mecca to Muslims. How is it not holy to Muslims again? I think this is an empty suggestion.

Then again, I don’t care one bit who holds what holy land. There is no such thing as a holy land to me. Just holy beliefs, ideals.

yes some islamsit/muslims scholars say that. but a lot of them say it is not true. because it does not get mentioned in the quran. it is in written scritps and text long after mohamed deaths and after the siege of Jerusalem. i hope the mods ban you for inaccuracies.

maybe this post will get me banned again. then i might wonder for 6 months what got me banned.

 

[Gameface]

@franklin He was calling Muslims in general animals/barbarians/dogs, etc. Over and over. Several posts over several threads. Advocating for their (Muslims) murder the second they look at you funny. Advocating for systematically removing them from western civilization via whatever means necessary. The mods removed all the offensive bits, leaving him here to claim he didn't say any swear words so he doesn't know what the issue was.

He's a follower of "The Red Pill" and has made numerous references to such. Look it up, compare it to his posts. It's primarily a misogynistic ideology that hides behind the "Superiority of the Western Civilization" to claim they aren't racists while still being supremacists. TRPers don't belive there is such a thing as "date rape." Look at some of his most recent posts (since his return) talking about "regret sex" or whatever term he uses. That's what TRPers call date rape, since they don't think there is any such thing.

@DutchJazzer , you're a disgusting person who has latched onto an ideology disguised as dating advice for guys who are generally rejected by females, and told that your hostility towards females is justified, that they owe you, as a man, and that you should use your manliness to get what you want from them, then tells you that it's all okay. Despicable, lecherous women really wanted you to abuse them, then want to damage you after they got what they wanted, because that's how women get their kicks.

To top it all off they use a stupid term form a stupid teen flick, "The Matrix" to introduce the idea that not only is what they are revealing to you true, but that the reason you get criticised for believing that it's okay to abuse women and that people outside Western Civilization are inferior, is because those people have taken the "blue pill."

Could there be anything more juvenile? Could you be any sillier than you are?

I will be looking at your posts every Sunday and reporting any racism, misogyny, supremacism or anti-LGBTQ comments you make. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

 

[DutchJazzer]

@franklin He was calling Muslims in general animals/barbarians/dogs, etc. Over and over. Several posts over several threads. Advocating for their (Muslims) murder the second they look at you funny. Advocating for systematically removing them from western civilization via whatever means necessary. The mods removed all the offensive bits, leaving him here to claim he didn't say any swear words so he doesn't know what the issue was.

He's a follower of "The Red Pill" and has made numerous references to such. Look it up, compare it to his posts. It's primarily a misogynistic ideology that hides behind the "Superiority of the Western Civilization" to claim they aren't racists while still being supremacists. TRPers don't belive there is such a thing as "date rape." Look at some of his most recent posts (since his return) talking about "regret sex" or whatever term he uses. That's what TRPers call date rape, since they don't think there is any such thing.

@DutchJazzer , you're a disgusting person who has latched onto an ideology disguised as dating advice for guys who are generally rejected by females, and told that your hostility towards females is justified, that they owe you, as a man, and that you should use your manliness to get what you want from them, then tells you that it's all okay. Despicable, lecherous women really wanted you to abuse them, then want to damage you after they got what they wanted, because that's how women get their kicks.

To top it all off they use a stupid term form a stupid teen flick, "The Matrix" to introduce the idea that not only is what they are revealing to you true, but that the reason you get criticised for believing that it's okay to abuse women and that people outside Western Civilization are inferior, is because those people have taken the "blue pill."

Could there be anything more juvenile? Could you be any sillier than you are?

I will be looking at your posts every Sunday and reporting any racism, misogyny, supremacism or anti-LGBTQ comments you make. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

LOL!


so lets say i have consensual sex with a woman, next day she regrets having sex with me and that is rape? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
good thing i regard sex as something sacred, and never have sex outside of relationships. so call me a rapist all you want!
but regret sex is not rape.
drunken sex maybe. depends on the circumstances. like if you deliberately gave a woman alcohol just to get her drunk for sex i consider that rape.
but if i drink and get tipsy drunk, and see a women who is also intoxicated and w eend up having sex. how is that rape?
but good think i do not get drunk, how do i know what being drunk feels like long ago 11 years ago i was drunk! never again.
but again this is not something i have to worry about. because sex unlike to lefties is sacred to me!

i did not call em barbarians i did not call em dogs, i did reference dogs and marking territory, but yeah you act like a socialist so you don't beleive in property rights. and yes i do mark my territory to so yeah i compare that to what dogs do. the other word i called them i plead the 5th!

and reported for personal attack, and your post is full of lies you do not know me!

 

[DutchJazzer]

@Bulletproof also you are hypocritical. you complain that i think a ideology is wrong, then you turn around and attack the ideology you thinks i have!

but i could just start listing links and websites to proof that one ideology is worse towards women!

good things in germany their are women only safe zones for new years celebrations. so those women will be sage

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I do not understand why bullet hates dutch so badly. It's bizarre that he sees it as his duty to monitor all of dutch's posts, even as he begs everyone else to put dutch on their ignore list. I have read some insightful posts from both of them. I have also read less insightful stuff from both of them. Having been accused of all sorts of inaccurate things by bullet myself, I tend to believe dutch when he claims not to be the sort of man bullet claims he is.

 

[Archie Moses]

LOL!


so lets say i have consensual sex with a woman, next day she regrets having sex with me and that is rape? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
good thing i regard sex as something sacred, and never have sex outside of relationships. so call me a rapist all you want!
but regret sex is not rape.
drunken sex maybe. depends on the circumstances. like if you deliberately gave a woman alcohol just to get her drunk for sex i consider that rape.
but if i drink and get tipsy drunk, and see a women who is also intoxicated and w eend up having sex. how is that rape?
but good think i do not get drunk, how do i know what being drunk feels like long ago 11 years ago i was drunk! never again.
but again this is not something i have to worry about. because sex unlike to lefties is sacred to me!

i did not call em barbarians i did not call em dogs, i did reference dogs and marking territory, but yeah you act like a socialist so you don't beleive in property rights. and yes i do mark my territory to so yeah i compare that to what dogs do. the other word i called them i plead the 5th!

and reported for personal attack, and your post is full of lies you do not know me!

From what I'm reading from your posts and what Bulletproof posts about what you say or support, he's definitely translating some of the things you say for the worst. That said, I haven't read your red pill posts or date rape posts, but "regret rape" is certainly not date rape.

 

[DutchJazzer]

From what I'm reading from your posts and what Bulletproof posts about what you say or support, he's definitely translating some of the things you say for the worst. That said, I haven't read your red pill posts or date rape posts, but "regret rape" is certainly not date rape.

i also think he because i mentioned sexual market value and marriage market value. as he responded that trumps wife might not love him(pharaphrasing here)

and then i argued that women see see certain things in men, and she might be genuinly atracted to him because of marriae market vallue. and due to what humans wanted when they where primitive, instinct and such.
as in some guy might have a high sexual market value, meaning he is in demand for sex with women. but when it comes to marriage he lacks certain things like for example stable income, caring for his offpsring etc etc. this is seen a sexist by the left because the left promotes single motherhood and think a man is not needed to provide for the family since govenrment can do it! and me saying a woman needs a man is sexist!

maybe this post will get me banned.