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Utah Denied A Wet Bandit Trade???!!

infection said:
And the more we play Marvin and keep up the "win three more meaningless games" mentality where we finish higher than all the tanking teams (which is what everything we're doing translates to), then landing Jabari becomes a significantly reduced possibility statistically when those three wins will be separating a lot of teams at the end of the season.

I don't think we need to be content with the "well let's just kinda tank and see where the cards fall" idea.
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This.

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Corbin + vetzz (Marvin Williams included) = bad for Jazz. One or both NEEDS to be gone sooner rather than later.

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orangello said:
Corbin + vetzz (Marvin Williams included) = bad for Jazz. One or both NEEDS to be gone sooner rather than later.

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No extension for Corbin so far so not looking to good. To replace Marvin we could go after cheaper guys which will also allow Kanter to play more at the 4. Ryan Kelly and John Leuer could be two possibilities.
 
Beantown said:
I think the difference is your don't value having good guys on the team to help lead and develop the young guys. Marvin isn't that good. But he plays the game right and he's a good guy.

Same thing for John Lucas. He sucks *** but hes a good locker room guy and he's a good example to the younger players.

If you have a roster full of kids you are just setting yourself up for failure.
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Well said. It is just not practical to have a team consistent of nothing but 'young' players. Teams do need veterans, glue guys, locker room presences, solid (if unspectacular players), etc. These all come together to form a team in different ways. These type of players have value and can play important, but different roles. By all accounts, Williams appears to be one of these types of players. I've been saying all along that I'm not sure that the Jazz don't see Williams in their LT plans. This seems to confirm that they do, I'm guessing for the types of reasons mentioned above. Get used to it, Williams is likely a Jazz man for the longer term.
 
How epic will the meltdown on here be when Marvin signs a 3-4 year deal here next off season? I heard some national guy throw around a 3 year 9 million dollar contract for Marvin. If that is the most he gets in a FA market then I want him to stay with the team. He's worth more than that. I'd even say I want him back at MLE money. Much more than that and he can go. He's not getting 10M per year is he?
 
gregbroncs said:
How epic will the meltdown on here be when Marvin signs a 3-4 year deal here next off season? I heard some national guy throw around a 3 year 9 million dollar contract for Marvin. If that is the most he gets in a FA market then I want him to stay with the team. He's worth more than that. I'd even say I want him back at MLE money. Much more than that and he can go. He's not getting 10M per year is he?
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Duly noted and agreed with. I think this team needs a player like Mr. Williams.
 
I suspect the Jazz will offer Marvin a 2 year deal worth a total of about $7-8 million and he'd be willing to take it. However, there might be someone willing to give him a mid level exception out there.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Well said. It is just not practical to have a team consistent of nothing but 'young' players. Teams do need veterans, glue guys, locker room presences, solid (if unspectacular players), etc. These all come together to form a team in different ways. These type of players have value and can play important, but different roles. By all accounts, Williams appears to be one of these types of players. I've been saying all along that I'm not sure that the Jazz don't see Williams in their LT plans. This seems to confirm that they do, I'm guessing for the types of reasons mentioned above. Get used to it, Williams is likely a Jazz man for the longer term.
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We view MW as an old guy just because the rest of the team is so young. He's only 27. Williams would be a good fit on a 3-4 yr deal. A contract of that length would expire just as the extra money is needed to re-up Favors (and likely Hayward) and then Kanter, Burks, etc. I doubt he goes for as cheap as $3m/per, but it's still hard to get a read on how this new CBA is impacting contracts. It does seem that vets like Marvin - or even Millsap - are getting squeezed.
 
Core4 said:
We view MW as an old guy just because the rest of the team is so young. He's only 27. Williams would be a good fit on a 3-4 yr deal. A contract of that length would expire just as the extra money is needed to re-up Favors (and likely Hayward) and then Kanter, Burks, etc. I doubt he goes for as cheap as $3m/per, but it's still hard to get a read on how this new CBA is impacting contracts. It does seem that vets like Marvin - or even Millsap - are getting squeezed.
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If I were a team like Miami, OKC, Clippers, San Antonio, etc. I'd be going after Williams big time in the off-season. I think he could be a very solid contributor on a team with championship aspirations, and he'd come at a very reasonable price. He's a talented player (not #2 draft talent) and offers a lot, including good D, good outside and 3 point shooting (thus the all important spacing), character, and in any game, he can go off for 20+. I gotta believe there's going to be competition to sign him in the off season.
 
If Pacers can't afford to sign Turner and Stephenson, I could see them going after Marvin Williams. He could backup West or George and would be a lot more reasonable salary wise than Turner.
 
orangello said:
Decent stretch 4? He starts (and plays waaaaay too many minutes) for a team that is bad offensively and defensively. He's not "decent" there at all.

Let him walk.

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he hustles, hits the boards, hits the open three so he has to be guarded, he allows our young guys to get their shots...

i'd say he's doing a reasonable job.

he'd have a role on the right contender.

at what he's worth to be a part of our plans beyond this season is another discussion.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
If I were a team like Miami, OKC, Clippers, San Antonio, etc. I'd be going after Williams big time in the off-season. I think he could be a very solid contributor on a team with championship aspirations, and he'd come at a very reasonable price. He's a talented player (not #2 draft talent) and offers a lot, including good D, good outside and 3 point shooting (thus the all important spacing), character, and in any game, he can go off for 20+. I gotta believe there's going to be competition to sign him in the off season.
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I guess if any of those teams want to use their full exception to sign him, then they could. My guess is Marvin likes Utah and would like to stay here. Without trades for 2015, and even with Hayward signing a new contract, the Jazz will need to bring in a couple of FA's just to meet the salary floor. If you delete Lucas, Thomas, Clark, Biedrins, Jefferson and Rush from the roster, keep Garrett, put Hayward in at $10M and estimate the payouts for the 3 picks + Neto, Jazz would be at roughly $44M with 12 players. So $8M to spend on 1-3 additional players to reach the salary floor and almost $15M in cap space.

My prediction is the Jazz offer Marvin a declining offer for 2-3 seasons + bring in one additional FA on the same type of contract. Allows Utah to reach the floor, yet retain the financial means to offer Burks and Kanter new contracts without getting into luxury tax territory.
 
I really like Marvin. He is a good locker room guy and has been playing really hard this season, which gives me a small concern if we bring him back. He is playing really hard this season, last year he didnt do so well in AL-fense. Maybe he does better without Al Jefferson or maybe he is just playing his guts out for a big contract and then will go back to putting up bad numbers.
 
Crawlnstall said:
I really like Marvin. He is a good locker room guy and has been playing really hard this season, which gives me a small concern if we bring him back. He is playing really hard this season, last year he didnt do so well in AL-fense. Maybe he does better without Al Jefferson or maybe he is just playing his guts out for a big contract and then will go back to putting up bad numbers.
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I tend to think he is playing this well because he finally has a defined role instead of being shuttled between positions and between being a starter and sub. Also don't forget he was injured last season.
 
I'm only going to explain this one more time.

Lottery balls don't matter.

We want the most combinations one ball away from LA's combinations. That way, when Adam Sliver screws up the riggins, we get Wiggins.
 
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