Utah Jazz vs. Atlanta Hawks (6pm MST/9pm Puerto Ricoooo time)

[Ron Mexico]

Its disappointing to not see more of Exum and not having him try and do more when he is in the game. I think he has shown this far in the season that he is already better than Mack. He is doing about the same on offense so far and is a better defender, gets the team into their offense faster and turns the ball over less. Both have their ups and downs and Mack played well in this game against his old team but overall Exum is a better player and is going to keep improving.
With that said I trust Snyder to develop him. I am sure the Jazz have a plan in place and expectations for Exum. I am sure they have things they want him to do on the court and I think Snyder is easing him into things and likes to be able to have him watch and be coached on the sidelines sometimes and to play more sometimes. I am not sure what his plan is but I know the Jazz and specifically Snyder really like Exum and want/expect him to succeed and be a solid player.
I would not be surprised at all if we trade Mack at the deadline. I doubt he is here next year. But maybe they like having him around for various reasons and keep him through this season.

 

[NAOS]

That was about as dominant defensive performance as one will see. Outstanding, even if the 3rd quarter was god awfully ugly.

Our 3rd quarter wasn't pretty OFFENSIVELY. It was thing of ****ing beauty, though, overall.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

The real question is this: When is Exum going to be a man and play like a man who wants the yoke more than Shelvin Mack?

What league is this? Is there really time to d!ck around with the back up PG minutes? Does Exum really want them? If he does, he has to out-play Shelvin. It's that simple.

Worrying about his confidence is ****ing teen-coddling. Look at what George Hill just did with the flu.

I think Snyder is right to play the guy who is hungry. When is Exum going to wake from his privileged coma and go rip those minutes away from the competition?

 

[stix737]

Isn't that what practice is for ? Anyway i don't disagree in principle, i just find it odd when someone who doesn't particularly move the needle as far as the team's fortunes present or future goes plays ahead of him.

I agree. Exum should play ahead of Mack. We don't really need Mack. Hopefully this is a once off thing. Mack knows Atlanta and all there plays since he played for them perhaps Quin thought it would be better to play him. But I don't really think Mack has made us better this year. Exum and rudy were the only positive during that losing streak.


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[vossy_3]

The real question is this: When is Exum going to be a man and play like a man who wants the yoke more than Shelvin Mack?

What league is this? Is there really time to d!ck around with the back up PG minutes? Does Exum really want them? If he does, he has to out-play Shelvin. It's that simple.

Worrying about his confidence is ****ing teen-coddling. Look at what George Hill just did with the flu.

I think Snyder is right to play the guy who is hungry. When is Exum going to wake from his privileged coma and go rip those minutes away from the competition?

I'm pretty sure most people think exum has well and truly deserved more minutes then mack.

What's the flu got to do with confidence?

Confidence is a mental thing, if I was exum and mack was getting minutes in front of me, then I would definitely be feeling a little disheartened.

The thing is exum has gone from starting 5 or 6 games in a row to basically a DNP.

 

[fgcamel]

Have the jazz had any close games so far this year? I can't think of any that were within like 3 or so points in the final minute.

 

[Revolution 9]

So glad Superboy Howard is not on the team. He doesnt ever seem to care or play at 100%. Not since his Magic days at least.
I remember we were beating the Lakers or Houston badly a while back, and he was just laughing on the sidelines.

He is a loafer that is all about his name, and image.

Rudy is still hungry....

 

[Revolution 9]

Its disappointing to not see more of Exum and not having him try and do more when he is in the game. I think he has shown this far in the season that he is already better than Mack. He is doing about the same on offense so far and is a better defender, gets the team into their offense faster and turns the ball over less. Both have their ups and downs and Mack played well in this game against his old team but overall Exum is a better player and is going to keep improving.
With that said I trust Snyder to develop him. I am sure the Jazz have a plan in place and expectations for Exum. I am sure they have things they want him to do on the court and I think Snyder is easing him into things and likes to be able to have him watch and be coached on the sidelines sometimes and to play more sometimes. I am not sure what his plan is but I know the Jazz and specifically Snyder really like Exum and want/expect him to succeed and be a solid player.
I would not be surprised at all if we trade Mack at the deadline. I doubt he is here next year. But maybe they like having him around for various reasons and keep him through this season.

We need to trade him. He is not part of the future, not making a huge impact, and now blocking Dante's progress.

I want the rotation to be Hill, Exum, and Neto.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I'm pretty sure most people think exum has well and truly deserved more minutes then mack.

Yeah, "most people". That must feel tremendous.

What's the flu got to do with confidence?

Nothing. The point was that Hill was still able to be a gamer last night despite dealing with the flu. His confidence is light years beyond Exum's at this point. Part of that is the fact that he is an actual man.

Confidence is a mental thing, if I was exum and mack was getting minutes in front of me, then I would definitely be feeling a little disheartened.

Well, perhaps Dante can console himself by collecting My Little Pony dolls. Now that he has the means, he could amass the biggest ****ing My Little Pony collection on the planet. Then all the scrubs playing in front of him won't matter.

The thing is exum has gone from starting 5 or 6 games in a row to basically a DNP.

Yeah, I wonder why.

 

[Tak]

Nothing. The point was that Hill was still able to be a gamer last night despite dealing with the flu. His confidence is light years beyond Exum's at this point. Part of that is the fact that he is an actual man.

Yeah, I wonder if the support and confidence that Popovich gave Hill at the start of his career has had any impact in his development as a player, or the support and confidence given to him by Snyder have anything to do with him having his best statistical year so far.

Players don't exist in a vacuum, this is not a video game, and you expecting a 20 y.o. to act like a 30 y.o. veteran player is silly.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Players don't exist in a vacuum, this is not a video game, and you expecting a 20 y.o. to act like a 30 y.o. veteran player is silly.

I completely agree that players don't exist in a vacuum. They exist on a team. And if someone on the team is performing like ***, the coach should be able to demand more with exactly these type of methods.

It is the video game mentality that would dictate we simply play Exum until he performs up to the standards of the team, because there are fewer authentic interrelationships to mitigate in the virtual.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Expecting an NBA player to play like a man, (i.e., to be responsible for following the coaches instructions or accept falling out of the rotation) is the only thing that has ever produced good teammates in this league. Everything else has essentially been My Little Pony parades. Coddling that **** is just pathetic.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

The thought of Popovich coddling Hill is just laughable. Any perusal of "Popovich yells" vids on YouTube will show that he doesn't spare any of his players.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I'm pretty sure most people think exum has well and truly deserved more minutes then mack.

What's the flu got to do with confidence?

Confidence is a mental thing, if I was exum and mack was getting minutes in front of me, then I would definitely be feeling a little disheartened.

The thing is exum has gone from starting 5 or 6 games in a row to basically a DNP.

If a lesser player was getting mins over me, I'd be pissed at myself and work 10 times harder to reclaim what I feel rightfully belongs to me. That's the attitude a Malone, or a Kobe, or a Jordan would display. I think that is what coach is trying to figure out in Exum. Sloan Did the same to Deron in his rookie year and it worked. Williams got mad and took his job back

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I'm pretty sure most people think exum has well and truly deserved more minutes then mack.

What's the flu got to do with confidence?

Confidence is a mental thing, if I was exum and mack was getting minutes in front of me, then I would definitely be feeling a little disheartened.

The thing is exum has gone from starting 5 or 6 games in a row to basically a DNP.

Deron got benched for a far less worthy player then Mack. It was a call to wake Derons *** up Deron responded the right way, will Exum?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The thought of Popovich coddling Hill is just laughable. Any perusal of "Popovich yells" vids on YouTube will show that he doesn't spare any of his players.

There is a difference though... he would glow about the guy to media. He also still gave him playing time.

Exum needs reps more than anything... can't sacrifice that for the difference between him and Mack.

 

[NAOS]

If a lesser player was getting mins over me, I'd be pissed at myself and work 10 times harder to reclaim what I feel rightfully belongs to me. That's the attitude a Malone, or a Kobe, or a Jordan would display.

It's nice knowing that JFC can rely on you as a legend. Please keep your phone on you at all times.

 

[str8line]

Went to the U game last night so excited to log in and find out the Jazz won with a crushing defensive performance. Some numbers that stood out to me:


Trey Lyles with 10 rebounds, 4 offensive!

Trey Lyles with 5 turnovers

Trey 1/6 3pt.

Rudy with 5 blocks

Rudy 6/7 from FT

Boris 1/6 FG

George and Gordon getting it done

Rodney 3/9 FG

Exum with a block and a steal and nothing else in 5 min.

BOLOMBOY with 2 reb in one minute of play. Imagine if he played 15 min... 30 REB!

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

There is a difference though... he would glow about the guy to media. He also still gave him playing time.

Exum needs reps more than anything... can't sacrifice that for the difference between him and Mack.

Snyder hasn't just given Exum playing time. He has started him multiple times. Snyder has also glowed about players who played well. What difference are you talking about?

Exum has simply performed poorly. He'll get more opportunities.

 

[GVC]

Expecting an NBA player to play like a man, (i.e., to be responsible for following the coaches instructions or accept falling out of the rotation) is the only thing that has ever produced good teammates in this league. Everything else has essentially been My Little Pony parades. Coddling that **** is just pathetic.

I'm not so sure. In my experience, well-defined goals/standards and accountability are detrimental to performance and growth.