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Utah @ San Diego State

This sets up an interesting rivalry week. Utah's secondary is obviously beyond awful at this point, and I'm sure all of the Jake Heaps fan boys will be touting that all week long, but the bottom line is this: As awful as Utah's secondary is currently is playing, my opinion is that BYU does not have the players at the skill positions to make Utah pay for it (at least not as bad as they've paid in the past 3 weeks).

Obviously TCU's talent was better across the board and their WR's are certainly better than what Utah will face against BYU. Notre Dame runs a much more complex passing offense when compared to BYU's and even though I'd still call ND a bad football team, they certainly have more talent at WR as well. I'd also take the experience of Lindley and the SDSU WR's over what BYU brings to the table.

With that being said, it's still bad enough that Heaps will get some yards and Utah certainly won't be able to "mail it in" this week. While Utah has started trending down at the exact same time BYU has started trending up, it's still fair to say that Utah is the more talented football team- just not as much as we originally thought.

Rivalry games are tough, but if you go through the archives you'll see two things that will usually set a team apart in these type of games: Experience and Talent. Sorry Coug fans, but Utah has the advantage in both areas.

Utes win. The end.
 
jazzman12 said:
Thriller wrote:



I commend you for going out on such a tremendous limb.
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Uhhh thanks?

They still had to score. But considering that Utah couldn't cover SD's WRs or put pressure on the QB to save their life it was going to be over. Seriously, you have to admit, if SD keeps running those quick 10-15 yard passes you leave SD tonight with a fat L.

A retarded play call was all that was the only thing that saved you tonight. And yes, it was retarded. Even if the safety falls down and he walks into the endzone, SD leaves 1:30 on the clock for you to score. that play call made absolutely no sense. I'm sure the newspapers will be talking about it in SD tomorrow.

while the newspapers in SLC will be spinning saying how the might Utes are BACCCKKKK. lol. I saw things that Heaps and Annai are going to exploit next weekend. Whether it will be enough to end Utah's MWC career with a loss to their arch rival, we'll soon see. I'm excited! I will go out on a limb and say that this one is going to be close. No way Utah blows BYU out. Wouldn't have said that earlier this year. But it's clear that both these teams are pretty evenly matched.
 
Wasn't that Asiata fumble really fumble? How could they possibly call that dead on forward progress when the guy was fresh off a burst? Unreal.

I will give the Utes props, however. I thought they were an extremely mentally weak football team, but that comeback might prove otherwise.
 
jazzman12 said:
This sets up an interesting rivalry week. Utah's secondary is obviously beyond awful at this point, and I'm sure all of the Jake Heaps fan boys will be touting that all week long, but the bottom line is this: As awful as Utah's secondary is currently is playing, my opinion is that BYU does not have the players at the skill positions to make Utah pay for it (at least not as bad as they've paid in the past 3 weeks).

Obviously TCU's talent was better across the board and their WR's are certainly better than what Utah will face against BYU. Notre Dame runs a much more complex passing offense when compared to BYU's and even though I'd still call ND a bad football team, they certainly have more talent at WR as well. I'd also take the experience of Lindley and the SDSU WR's over what BYU brings to the table.

With that being said, it's still bad enough that Heaps will get some yards and Utah certainly won't be able to "mail it in" this week. While Utah has started trending down at the exact same time BYU has started trending up, it's still fair to say that Utah is the more talented football team- just not as much as we originally thought.

Rivalry games are tough, but if you go through the archives you'll see two things that will usually set a team apart in these type of games: Experience and Talent. Sorry Coug fans, but Utah has the advantage in both areas.

Utes win. The end.
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Please. BYU's problem was never talent, it was coaching. Their defense and offense are both wide open now and making things happen. They actually blitz and throw the ball around now. It's amazing what happens when coaches let guys play. You guys do not have more talent. But hey, I welcome your DBs to try and get in jump ball scenarios with Cody Hoffman because he'll kill you in the same manner that #1 on SDSU did. Not going to be a good outcome for you guys.
 
I still can't believe that idiot SDSU punter dropped that perfect snap. Without that, Utah doesn't win.
 
Memo to Coug fans on a few topics:

-Your team has strung together a few good wins in a row, however those wins are against the exact same dregs that you were giving Utah no credit for blowing out. Serious question, and I wonder if there is a BYU fan on here who actually has the stones to give me an honest answer: How come when Utah pummels UNLV, CSU and New Mexico they're simply living off of a bad schedule, and when BYU beats them the Cougs have turned the corner and are now unstoppable? Seriously, you can't have it both ways.

-Dodgers, I know you're a blind homer, but it's even a reach for you to be touting BYU's WR's at this point. I'll say it again and I believe it's a solid FACT: BYU's skill position players don't even compare with what Utah's faced in the last 3 weeks.

-Utah is the more talented team, but even if you'd like to lie to yourself and try to debate that, there is no denying that this BYU squad is extremely young and green. Especially when it comes to such a big time rivalry game. There is no denying that Utah has these guys hands down in terms of experience.

-Utah's got the homefield advantage, an overwhelming experience advantage and for those who are honest enough to admit it, they've also got the talent advantage. I don't think it will be a blow out, but there's certainly enough in Utah's favor that I feel very good about Utah's chances.
 
-Utah's got the homefield advantage, an overwhelming experience advantage and for those who are honest enough to admit it, they've also got the talent advantage. I don't think it will be a blow out, but there's certainly enough in Utah's favor that I feel very good about Utah's chances.
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Sorry, but I couldn't help myself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSfeivrDzc

Homefield advantage in this game means utterly nothing.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Wasn't that Asiata fumble really fumble? How could they possibly call that dead on forward progress when the guy was fresh off a burst? Unreal.
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If they didn't stop the forward progress, then it would have been a touchdown. He crossed the goal line plane on his second burst, but was ruled down due to forward progress being stopped.

And hey, it's not like Utah had a couple employees in the replay booth or anything.
 
catratcho said:
I still can't believe that idiot SDSU punter dropped that perfect snap. Without that, Utah doesn't win.
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I disagree. San Diego State punting from near their own end zone would have given Utah great field position even if he got it off. Utah probably scores either way.

The Utes had 500 yards of total offense, so I have no reason to think they couldn't have scored if given the ball with great field position.
 
The Thriller said:
Sorry, but I couldn't help myself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtSfeivrDzc

Homefield advantage in this game means utterly nothing.
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I don't think it means "utterly nothing". True, this rivalry has shown us that either team can win on the opponents home field, but being home is always nice.

Also, thanks for addressing the experience gap or the fact that BYU fans are excited about wins over the very same teams that they tried to dismiss when Utah beat them.

I'm still waiting for a BYU fan to attempt to tell me why wins over UNLV, CSU and New Mexico are a definitive sign that this BYU team has turned the corner when they were considered "gimmie" games for Utah.

I have a funny felling I'll be waiting for awhile.
 
The Asiata non-ruled fumble was at the end of the game. You would have to make a lot of assumptions about the Dilugi non- ruled fumble at the end of third quarter WHILE BYU WAS LEADING to consider it a difference maker. Again, I gave Utah credit. The call to go for a TD instead of kick of FG was gutsy. I still think the non-ruled fumbled was an awful call. Dude was floating on top of the pile after a surge and the ball was just laying there.
 
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Duck Rodgers said:
The Asiata non-ruled fumble was at the end of the game. You would have to make a lot of assumptions about the Dilugi non- ruled fumble at the end of third quarter WHILE BYU WAS LEADING to consider it a difference maker. Again, I gave Utah credit. The call to go for a TD instead of kick of FG was gutsy. I still think the non-ruled fumbled was an awful call. Dude was floating on top of the pile after a surge and the ball was just laying there.
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Again, he crossed the plane of the end zone. If they didn't rule forward progress had stopped then it would have been a touchdown.

And it's not like Utah had a couple employees in the replay booth or anything.
 
That was as gutsy as a road win as you can get. The play when we had them backed up at their own 10 and they throw it up to Vincent Brown with 2 defenders on him and he miraculously catches a tipped ball would have been a back breaker for most teams. But this team fought back and made the plays they needed. Major props to the guy who blocked the punt and Eddie Wide.
 
jazzman12 said:
Memo to Coug fans on a few topics:

-Your team has strung together a few good wins in a row, however those wins are against the exact same dregs that you were giving Utah no credit for blowing out. Serious question, and I wonder if there is a BYU fan on here who actually has the stones to give me an honest answer: How come when Utah pummels UNLV, CSU and New Mexico they're simply living off of a bad schedule, and when BYU beats them the Cougs have turned the corner and are now unstoppable? Seriously, you can't have it both ways.

-Dodgers, I know you're a blind homer, but it's even a reach for you to be touting BYU's WR's at this point. I'll say it again and I believe it's a solid FACT: BYU's skill position players don't even compare with what Utah's faced in the last 3 weeks.

-Utah is the more talented team, but even if you'd like to lie to yourself and try to debate that, there is no denying that this BYU squad is extremely young and green. Especially when it comes to such a big time rivalry game. There is no denying that Utah has these guys hands down in terms of experience.

-Utah's got the homefield advantage, an overwhelming experience advantage and for those who are honest enough to admit it, they've also got the talent advantage. I don't think it will be a blow out, but there's certainly enough in Utah's favor that I feel very good about Utah's chances.
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I'll address these. I like to think of myself as a fan who isn't a homer (though my views are probably tinted blue).
-There's no doubt BYU is living off the weaker schedule now. What gives me hope is that it looks like BYU is playing better now. Is that given to the teams they are playing suck really bad? You betcha. But it does look like they're playing better. Hard to know for sure if they've actually turned the corner or if it's a product of scheduling.
-I can't argue that Utah isn't the better team right now. BYU is very young. I think they had less than 12 total seniors this year. Experience certainly does not guarantee a win in any game, especially a rivalry game.
-I would much prefer to see this game at Lavell Edwards Stadium as opposed to Rice Eccles. Throughout this season, BYU has played much better at home than on the road. But I still like our chances.
Overall, I still think Utah comes away with the win in this one. But the performances over the last three weeks by both teams have given me some hope.
 
Bronco70 said:
Wow, Duck, do you really feel okay about going there?


Edit: Yeah, what Salty said...
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For the life of me I couldn't figure out what play he was talking about until Salty mentioned the goal line play. I have that recorded and not seeing it Duck, first the ball crossed the plane before being knocked out and 2nd and like Salty said the refs ruled his forward progress stopped and elbow down so on both accounts I'm REALLY not seeing it.

As for that hailmary I know Trout is just stirring the pot but I also wouldn't expect that he watched the game so the tip giveth and taketh away in that 3rd Qtr the Aztecs had the samething happen to them, QB gets hit as he throws it and 2 Ute DB's go for the INT but knock it away from each other and right to the Aztec receiver and he runs 50yrds for a TD.
I thought for sure that was going to be the back breaker and at that time the U defense hadn't stopped them on 3rd down or from scoring a TD on every possession so I was bracing myself for a loss.

Thriller on that last INT I'm not sure if it was a bad play call as much as a bad decision by the QB, he had other WR's that he could throw to he just got pressured and made a bad choice (good if your a U fan).
 
catratcho said:
I'll address these. I like to think of myself as a fan who isn't a homer (though my views are probably tinted blue).
-There's no doubt BYU is living off the weaker schedule now. What gives me hope is that it looks like BYU is playing better now. Is that given to the teams they are playing suck really bad? You betcha. But it does look like they're playing better. Hard to know for sure if they've actually turned the corner or if it's a product of scheduling.
-I can't argue that Utah isn't the better team right now. BYU is very young. I think they had less than 12 total seniors this year. Experience certainly does not guarantee a win in any game, especially a rivalry game.
-I would much prefer to see this game at Lavell Edwards Stadium as opposed to Rice Eccles. Throughout this season, BYU has played much better at home than on the road. But I still like our chances.
Overall, I still think Utah comes away with the win in this one. But the performances over the last three weeks by both teams have given me some hope.
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+2

While we may not agree on everything, at least you had the sack to come in and make a decent argument for the Cougs.
 
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