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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

SCS said:
Who do you guys view as the "core" of this Jazz team? I'm not sure that question has been asked here but I feel like it's an important question to ponder. In my view the core of this team going forward are the following players...

Donovan & Rudy- Of course. 2 All-NBA level talents. Superstars. The two most important players to our franchise.
Ricky Rubio- Our current #3 to the big 2. Whether he is the long-term #3 or just a bridge to whoever that guy may be is up for debate. But his value to us right now is unquestionable.
Dante Exum- He's the guy that I believe that the FO really wants to become that #3. DL and Quin have never wavered in their support of Dante and their faith in him as a prospect.
Joe Ingles- The ultimate glue guy and team player. Very important to the team on AND off the court.

Those are the guys that I view as the "core" right now. And if that's the core then the pieces that we surround them with need to compliment their skills. I don't see how Rodney fits into that core. Rodney is a high usage volume shooter and scorer. That's his best skill as a player. That doesn't mesh well with a Donovan, Rubio and Dante trio. Donovan NEEDS to be a high usage scorer because he's a star. Rubio is not an off ball player, he needs the ball in his hands a good amount because he's a good playmaker. And what have the coaches been preaching to Dante ever since he got here? Attack, be aggressive offensively, get to the rim. With just those 3 I think we can make things work. But 4 guards who all require the ball doesn't seem like a good recipe for success to me. Someone would have to play out of their comfort zone (and that didn't work very well for Rubio this year). So, if the Jazz end up keeping Hood at the deadline and we match an offer on him this summer the question becomes who ends up leaving between Rubio and Exum?

I really think that moving Hood now for the best offer (whatever that may be) is the move. Rubio is a better player than Hood. And Exum has more upside than Hood and will be far cheaper to keep.
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Might able to throw Royce into that core. Maybe sample size it too small though, I dont know.
 
I doubt we trade anything except perhaps Johnson. Don't see what Udoh can fetch, and trading Hood/Favors hurts the playoff hunt. Unless we get a good haul which includes a player who contributes this season, I don't see it happening.
 
infection said:
The Donovan Mitchell - Kyle Kuzma effect has given everyone penis brain in regards to first round picks. This overinflated value is insane. Two years ago with the cap spike you saw a very unreasonable and unrestrained league start to fork out $64M for the Mozgovs, $95M for the Chandler Parsons, and $40M for the Dellavedovas. The league lost its collective mind, with little care to employ an ounce of foresight. Still, the prevailing groupthink won out because “nah, bros, that’s just the going rate you’ve gotta pony up in today’s NBA lololol.”

Another hyperinflated insanity arises with first round picks, nobody wishing to convey after they’ve witnessed Utah and LA trade for, what were previously deemed, marginal picks and hit grand slams. “Give up a first rounder? Nah, you’re giving up a potential franchise changer,” is the new groupthink.

The time to sell is when the value is high and you can get more on your return than what your goods are actually worth. It would be quite interesting to survey the market on what giving up two first rounders could get you now — of course this is problematic if you’ve been greatly affected by the hype. But it would be an opportune time to strike while it’s hot, before reality sets back in and 2-3 years down the road and everyone realizes “man, WTF were we thinking?” and is now left with red Kool Aid stains on their new carpet.
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Great post
 
I think Osman is an absolutely perfect fit for our future. He could be groomed as Ingles' replacement in a couple years. And he is a Euro who might stick around long term.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: One team that could play immense part in dictating final hours of trade deadline: Denver. They’re active on several fronts, including trying to acquire Tyreke Evans, move Emmanuel Mudiay and Wilson Chandler, and use pick to incentivize a team to take on Kenneth Faried’s contract.

So we should consider trading Burks and JoeJ to Denver for Faried, Chandler and their 1st (which will become a certain superstar). Yes, we would spend about $15 more next year, but both Faried and Chandler come off the books after next season. After we do this trade, we have the flexibility to trade Favors.
 
The reason in the end why I don't think the Jazz make a move is flexibility seems to be their #1 priority right now. Not making a move will allow flexibility this offseason to decide if they want to resign Favors & Hood and flexibility to decide to let them go and then have the flexibility to sign a significant free agent agent if they want with their cap space.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
The reason in the end why I don't think the Jazz make a move is flexibility seems to be their #1 priority right now. Not making a move will allow flexibility this offseason to decide if they want to resign Favors & Hood and flexibility to decide to let them go and then have the flexibility to sign a significant free agent agent if they want with their cap space.
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One of the problems we have is staying status quo. We are risk averse. We are afraid to take money. Well you know what, every NBA team right now is afraid to take money. In my opinion, we have an opportunity that others are afraid to take. We should be willing to take on Dellavadova and Teletovic if it gets us Parker. Or take Biyombo if it gets us Gordon. Why not? What do we have to lose? Cap space to sign 3 or 4 guys like Jerekbo, Udoh and Thabo? Don't get me wrong, I love those guys and they are solid pros, but they aren't moving the needle of contention. Gordon or Parker might.
 
LoPo said:
One of the problems we have is staying status quo. We are risk averse. We are afraid to take money. Well you know what, every NBA team right now is afraid to take money. In my opinion, we have an opportunity that others are afraid to take. We should be willing to take on Dellavadova and Teletovic if it gets us Parker. Or take Biyombo if it gets us Gordon. Why not? What do we have to lose? Cap space to sign 3 or 4 guys like Jerekbo, Udoh and Thabo? Don't get me wrong, I love those guys and they are solid pros, but they aren't moving the needle of contention. Gordon or Parker might.
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Tony Jones recently said on Twitter there's no chance the Jazz would bring in Gordon even Fournier attached (who's a lot better fit than Biyombo) just because Fournier's contract is $17M/year through 2021.

So you're right, everyone is afraid of contracts right now.
 
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