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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

Saint Cy of JFC said:
It isn't. Teams arent hoping for those kind of hits (though I'm sure they would like them). The more realistic expectation is they can get cheap rotation players under long-term contracts w/ RFA rights at the end. Cheap labor w/ rights control is the main reason, not the potential of finding a star.
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Except how cheap is the labor? How many late firsts are contributing in the first few years of their contract if at all? Look what we paid for our bench vets this year. Late firsts are completely overvalued.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Go to sleep man!! Lmao. Nothing will happen


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For reals we are already in the Jameer Nelson Dante Cunningham chair deck shuffling. I'm not real hopeful. Wonder who we sign when we buy out JJ.
 
Feels like the market has dried up. Soooo many teams trying to get rid of bad contracts without wanting to give a first back and no one wants to take on more money. Lmao. That's the NBA for ya. I swear, seemed a week ago, there were going to be tons of deals done, and the jazz were 100% going to deal someone, now not so sure.


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framer said:
Except how cheap is the labor? How many late firsts are contributing in the first few years of their contract if at all? Look what we paid for our bench vets this year. Late firsts are completely overvalued.
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It is completely an entirely based on the situation though. And in the current climate, many teams find themselves in a situation where a first-round pick holds much more value than trading it for a "contributor" as it won't really put them over the top in any meaningful way. Yet a first-round pick CAN hit and CAN be developed under team control which is probably the smarter route to take if you're not close to challenging the Warriors.

This is why I think Hood is worth a first-rounder (because of his restricted status) as opposed to a guy like Tyreke who is playing much better, because he is completely unrestricted and doesn't even have bird rights I think.
 
MDAV28 said:
It is completely an entirely based on the situation though. And in the current climate, many teams find themselves in a situation where a first-round pick holds much more value than trading it for a "contributor" as it won't really put them over the top in any meaningful way. Yet a first-round pick CAN hit and CAN be developed under team control which is probably the smarter route to take if you're not close to challenging the Warriors.
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They are like moonshots... I hang out a lot in the VC startup world and the deal is hit big or fail fast. One guy told me they don't want companies hitting on the brakes as they drive off a cliff.

Same for firsts... even if it is a 10% chance you hit on a starter and it shows some promise you can get a huge premium for that guy. The first round picks are like buying a new car doe... drive it off the lot and it loses value quick.

I'd look at guys drafted in the middle of the first round in this past draft and get some of those guys if available. That may be where the market inefficiency is. Not quite second draft but guys picked that haven't had a chance to play and have lots of time left on their deals. DJ Wilson is a guy I could see being available... maybe Justin Patton.
 
Something will happen. Everybody is just staring at each other waiting for the other to cave. Eventually, teams like Denver will realize that keeping what they have is more important than a pick in the late teens. Cleveland will realize that their pick kind of sucks and they need help now. Orlando will sell low because they want a fresh start and any asset they can get. Atlanta will realize they are better off with a Hood or similar than trying to lure somebody this summer.

One this is unquestionable - about half the league has to shed contracts to avoid the luxury next season. So they either suck it up and do it now or risk it this summer or next deadline.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They are like moonshots... I hang out a lot in the VC startup world and the deal is hit big or fail fast. One guy told me they don't want companies hitting on the brakes as they drive off a cliff.

Same for firsts... even if it is a 10% chance you hit on a starter and it shows some promise you can get a huge premium for that guy. The first round picks are like buying a new car doe... drive it off the lot and it loses value quick.

I'd look at guys drafted in the middle of the first round in this past draft and get some of those guys if available. That may be where the market inefficiency is. Not quite second draft but guys picked that haven't had a chance to play and have lots of time left on their deals. DJ Wilson is a guy I could see being available... maybe Justin Patton.
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Yep. Id love to get a stretch 4 from the 2017 class. I think there are HOFers scattered throughout that class.
 
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