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tfivas said:
That would shocking asf if he left the NFL for BYU
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I wanna say there was a rumor years ago...after he left the Eagles...but I’m sure it was just that. College recruiting is intense and an animal aid guess he has no interest in.
 
Everybody is going to call me NUTS but I’m actually happy with where Utah’s passing game is headed. My reasoning: I really can’t understand BYU’s Defensive game plan. They dropped 8 in coverage almost every play (basically playing prevent Defense all game) against a team with Zach Moss. My only thought that seems logical is that, like many, BYU underestimated the quality of Utah’s O-Line this year and felt like they could stop Moss without stuffing the box, and fluster Huntley and the pass game by dropping everybody into coverage. We obviously know that they were unable to stop Moss, but it did have an effect on Utah getting deep. That being said, I’m extremely pleased that Huntley stayed patient all game, took what the Defense was giving, and was extremely accurate when he did make a throw. It shows me that the kid has some discipline in Ludwig’s Offense and is willing to play within the flow of the game- something you’d expect from a Senior QB.

As has been mentioned, Huntley still went 13 for 16 with 2 drops- one of which coming from a wide open TE that was easily going to be a 40+ yard gain.

I really think BYU’s Defense is a Top 30 (maybe higher) unit and the fact that Utah could force the issue with the run game is extremely encouraging to me. Fact of the matter is, Utah probably won’t see any other teams dropping 8 into coverage all game long for the rest of the season. In fact, a lot of the teams on Utah’s schedule are gonna have to stick that extra guy in the box if they have any hope of stopping Moss. If Huntley can’t move the ball through the air in those situations, I’ll start to worry, but don’t see the reason to yet. Before Huntley’s injury last season, Utah had their best passing offense since joining the PAC 12. I think Ludwig is an upgrade at OC and as long as Huntley stays healthy, Utah will be fine.

The kicking game however, does scare the hell outta me and I have a haunting feeling that it’s gonna cost us eventually...
 
Jazzman12 said:
Everybody is going to call me NUTS but I’m actually happy with where Utah’s passing game is headed. My reasoning: I really can’t understand BYU’s Defensive game plan. They dropped 8 in coverage almost every play (basically playing prevent Defense all game) against a team with Zach Moss. My only thought that seems logical is that, like many, BYU underestimated the quality of Utah’s O-Line this year and felt like they could stop Moss without stuffing the box, and fluster Huntley and the pass game by dropping everybody into coverage. We obviously know that they were unable to stop Moss, but it did have an effect on Utah getting deep. That being said, I’m extremely pleased that Huntley stayed patient all game, took what the Defense was giving, and was extremely accurate when he did make a throw. It shows me that the kid has some discipline in Ludwig’s Offense and is willing to play within the flow of the game- something you’d expect from a Senior QB.

As has been mentioned, Huntley still went 13 for 16 with 2 drops- one of which coming from a wide open TE that was easily going to be a 40+ yard gain.

I really think BYU’s Defense is a Top 30 (maybe higher) unit and the fact that Utah could force the issue with the run game is extremely encouraging to me. Fact of the matter is, Utah probably won’t see any other teams dropping 8 into coverage all game long for the rest of the season. In fact, a lot of the teams on Utah’s schedule are gonna have to stick that extra guy in the box if they have any hope of stopping Moss. If Huntley can’t move the ball through the air in those situations, I’ll start to worry, but don’t see the reason to yet. Before Huntley’s injury last season, Utah had their best passing offense since joining the PAC 12. I think Ludwig is an upgrade at OC and as long as Huntley stays healthy, Utah will be fine.

The kicking game however, does scare the hell outta me and I have a haunting feeling that it’s gonna cost us eventually...
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A healthy Huntley in this system will be scary good, imo. I agree about not seeing other teams play the same style D that BYU did which will make Huntley that much more of a threat. Could be a magical season at the U.
 
BYU has a really nice Defensive line. The more I think about it, I can understand BYU’s philosophy of thinking they could stop Moss straight-up and take away the passing game. Their big-time failure was making zero attempts at adjustments at half time.

Again, I think it bodes well for the quality of Utah’s O-Line. I’m not surprised after 1 week that BYU fans are claiming Utah’s passing offense will be their doom and nervous Ute fans are questioning Ludwig.

While I think Utah will be ok passing the ball, I do think that they are gonna start off every single game trying to pound the rock. I think it’ll be rare to see Huntley pass the ball 30 times in a game and that he’ll average closer to 20-25.
 
I was surprised to see there is still one person on the planet willing to bet in favor of BYU when they play the Utes.

Even the Mormon church puts their money on Utah at this point.
 
freakazoid said:
I was surprised to see there is still one person on the planet willing to bet in favor of BYU when they play the Utes.

Even the Mormon church puts their money on Utah at this point.
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There was actually way more than one.
In Vegas the line opened with Utah favored by 7. They moved it down to 5 because they were getting too many people betting byu and they wanted to even out the action a bit.

And then there's this:

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And byu has been favored 4 times during this streak.

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Jazzman12 said:
BYU has a really nice Defensive line. The more I think about it, I can understand BYU’s philosophy of thinking they could stop Moss straight-up and take away the passing game. Their big-time failure was making zero attempts at adjustments at half time.

Again, I think it bodes well for the quality of Utah’s O-Line. I’m not surprised after 1 week that BYU fans are claiming Utah’s passing offense will be their doom and nervous Ute fans are questioning Ludwig.

While I think Utah will be ok passing the ball, I do think that they are gonna start off every single game trying to pound the rock. I think it’ll be rare to see Huntley pass the ball 30 times in a game and that he’ll average closer to 20-25.
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I think the civility in this thread was refreshing.

I understand trying to stop Moss straight up in the 1st half as it was working ok. As soon as Moss broke a few and clearly was not going down on first contact, that's where you change plans and involve the LB's... but that did not happen. If you say you're game plan is to stop the run and not allow Moss to beat you, but you drop 8 all game, makes me wonder if you know football or if you are just giving out bad info thinking it will trick the Utes.

I don't really have confidence that BYU coaches or players are good at in game changes or decisions.

The Utes played well enough to win and to force BYU into some poor decisions and mistakes. They have some nice athleticism and talent, even if they aren't really that deep in some areas.

This could be a good year, but it could also fall short of the opportunity to take the South. If they fall short it's most likely due to injuries and depth.

I don't really have a solution for BYU to improvement. The reality is that unless they get into a P5, they are just going to fall off more and more due to recruiting and talent. There's not much even good coaches can do to overcome that. With lack of depth and talent you end up having to scheme and get fancy which limits the exposure to your weaknesses but also limits how good you can be. I don't know of any better options beyond Sitake. He is a good coach, and I don't know how much of this is on him, how much is just on the situation, and how much is just the unique difficulties that BYU has as a school.

Either way there was a fork in the road and the Utes are on one path while BYU is on another. College Football is fickle, and BYU could easily catch up and get back in this, but they could easily not as well.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
I think the civility in this thread was refreshing.

I understand trying to stop Moss straight up in the 1st half as it was working ok. As soon as Moss broke a few and clearly was not going down on first contact, that's where you change plans and involve the LB's... but that did not happen. If you say you're game plan is to stop the run and not allow Moss to beat you, but you drop 8 all game, makes me wonder if you know football or if you are just giving out bad info thinking it will trick the Utes.

I don't really have confidence that BYU coaches or players are good at in game changes or decisions.

The Utes played well enough to win and to force BYU into some poor decisions and mistakes. They have some nice athleticism and talent, even if they aren't really that deep in some areas.

This could be a good year, but it could also fall short of the opportunity to take the South. If they fall short it's most likely due to injuries and depth.

I don't really have a solution for BYU to improvement. The reality is that unless they get into a P5, they are just going to fall off more and more due to recruiting and talent. There's not much even good coaches can do to overcome that. With lack of depth and talent you end up having to scheme and get fancy which limits the exposure to your weaknesses but also limits how good you can be. I don't know of any better options beyond Sitake. He is a good coach, and I don't know how much of this is on him, how much is just on the situation, and how much is just the unique difficulties that BYU has as a school.

Either way there was a fork in the road and the Utes are on one path while BYU is on another. College Football is fickle, and BYU could easily catch up and get back in this, but they could easily not as well.
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I’m convinced Tuiaki needs to go. I don’t think the dude has ever made an in-game adjustment.


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Jazz Spazz said:
I think the civility in this thread was refreshing.

I understand trying to stop Moss straight up in the 1st half as it was working ok. As soon as Moss broke a few and clearly was not going down on first contact, that's where you change plans and involve the LB's... but that did not happen. If you say you're game plan is to stop the run and not allow Moss to beat you, but you drop 8 all game, makes me wonder if you know football or if you are just giving out bad info thinking it will trick the Utes.

I don't really have confidence that BYU coaches or players are good at in game changes or decisions.

The Utes played well enough to win and to force BYU into some poor decisions and mistakes. They have some nice athleticism and talent, even if they aren't really that deep in some areas.

This could be a good year, but it could also fall short of the opportunity to take the South. If they fall short it's most likely due to injuries and depth.

I don't really have a solution for BYU to improvement. The reality is that unless they get into a P5, they are just going to fall off more and more due to recruiting and talent. There's not much even good coaches can do to overcome that. With lack of depth and talent you end up having to scheme and get fancy which limits the exposure to your weaknesses but also limits how good you can be. I don't know of any better options beyond Sitake. He is a good coach, and I don't know how much of this is on him, how much is just on the situation, and how much is just the unique difficulties that BYU has as a school.

Either way there was a fork in the road and the Utes are on one path while BYU is on another. College Football is fickle, and BYU could easily catch up and get back in this, but they could easily not as well.
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Very good post.

What boggles my mind about BYU’s current situation the most is, that regardless of their standing as an Independent or future P5/G5 program, the BOT has the resources necessary to go “All-In” on BYU Football, and they just won’t. To BYU’s credit, they schedule as many big programs as they possibly can, then they expect them to go out and compete with schools that spend much more money on coaching and recruiting. I just read that Utah spends the most money on recruiting in the PAC 12. Why? Because the have to. If they want to be competitive in that conference, they absolutely have to find advantages over programs like USC and Oregon- which often times means spending more money.

BYU has some seriously unique challenges that come with being the Head Coach, and yet they refuse to pay HC’s and assistants at or above market value. They follow that up by scheduling 5 or 6 schools each year that are extremely daunting to say the least, and then expect them to win their fair share of those games. I honestly think Sitake is a great man and a good HC but he has both hands tied behind his back. His current Defensive Coordinator should still be a position coach in all reality but Sitake absolutely does not have the necessary resources to go and get a seasoned vet that can take that unit to the next level. I like BYU’s OC, and I think he has the chance to be a good one, but if BYU didn’t come calling, he was gonna be an O-line coach for the foreseeable future at a P5 program. We’ve already seen BYU make the mistake of pulling Detmer out of the High School ranks and giving him a position he obviously wasn’t ready for. That never happens if your first time HC has the money necessary to lure a veteran college OC.

They seem to be stuck in a purgatory of their own making and stubbornly refuse to do anything about it. While I might be a Ute fan that certainly isn’t complaining about 9 straight wins, it’s absolutely crazy to me to see BYU be non competitive in the rivalry game and even losing ground to Utah State. Their fans are rightfully getting more and more apathetic and it just feels like barring a P5 invite, none of that is gonna change anytime soon.
 
I expect Tennessee to win with relative ease. I know they lost to Georgia St. But this BYU team showed no fight against Utah and their offense is atrocious. If you can't score and you don't have the heart to fight then the odds of you winning on the road against a more talented team are extremely low. Tennessee by 2 TD's.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
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I wanna say there was a rumor years ago...after he left the Eagles...but I’m sure it was just that. College recruiting is intense and an animal aid guess he has no interest in.
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It was a rumor started by some guy on the Internet who called himself Tom H. So weird...
 
SCS said:
I expect Tennessee to win with relative ease. I know they lost to Georgia St. But this BYU team showed no fight against Utah and their offense is atrocious. If you can't score and you don't have the heart to fight then the odds of you winning on the road against a more talented team are extremely low. Tennessee by 2 TD's.
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I disagree.
Utah has an amazing defense. Byu offense is much better than they looked against Utah.

As far as showed no fight against Utah, I disagree. They were going toe to toe against Utah in the first half. The score was 9-6 at halftime (6 of Utah's points coming from a pick 6) and byu was playing quite will offensively despite only having 6 points. A couple penalties and bad snaps in the red zone forced byu to settle for field goals instead of touchdowns.
Despite utah leading at the half byu was leading in nearly every statistical category with more yards, 3rd down conversions, chunk plays etc. They were on pace to put up 400 yards of offense vs the Utah defense which many believe to be one of the best defenses in the country. The byu offensive line gave Wilson time to throw even though they were going against a defense line that Phil Steele says is the best in the nation. Utah had 1 sack on the night. Byu's main running back averaged 6.4 yards per carry. Didn't get enough carries though.

Utah had 2 pick 6's (you will rarely ever ever see that happen in a single game) and 2 very short fields due to a fumbled handoff and a 4th down conversation not converted. That game wasn't about lack of fight. Utah scored 14 points in pick 6's and another 10 points on very short fields. 24 points right there. Those things didn't happen due to lack of fight. That's the story of the Utah game.

Hell, byu had a number of personal fouls in that game. Maybe they should have had less fight.


Wilson is a stud, so is Tyson Williams. The offensive line is great. The tight ends are fantastic. (They should have MLP back today).
Utah is a very good (14th ranked iirc) senior laden team (they started 15 seniors against byu out of their 22 starters) who had NFL players decide to forgo their NFL careers to come back to Utah and they own byu. Don't read too much into that one game sample size.
Oh and byu plays better on the road than they do at home under Sitake

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It was a tale of two halves. While I think BYU played for the most part played pretty good defensively the 1st half they seemed gassed early in the second half. Some of that 1st half success also might be partially due to Utah coming out a little flat too. The difference in depth was apparent as the game went on.
 
trigg3r said:
It was a tale of two halves. While I think BYU played for the most part played pretty good defensively the 1st half they seemed gassed early in the second half. Some of that 1st half success also might be partially due to Utah coming out a little flat too. The difference in depth was apparent as the game went on.
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Agreed.
One thing I didn't mention in my last post was byu special teams. The kicker was 2 for 2 on field goals. Averaged 49 yards per punt.

I do worry about the byu defense. The secondary and linebackers are thin. The d line doesn't pass rush. And I don't like how the DC calls the defensive plays.

In the second half vs Utah the defense wore down and their best player (Tonga) didn't play much. (I still don't know why. Maybe he was just gassed as that has been a problem for him in the past). Also there were multiple times when the defense had Utah backed up on 3rd down and then got called for penalties that kept the defense on the field.
In the second half the byu offense had 4 possessions. One ended in a punt. One ended in a fumble. One ended in a pick 6. And one ended with a touchdown. The defense was on the field a lot in the second half.

On 3rd downs, when byu kept the ball in Zach Wilson's hands, byu converted 55% into first downs for the game. Many of them being 3rd and long.

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Utah definitely didn't play their best and still kicked byu ***. So that's discouraging. Utah could have scored on their last drive probably and missed on special teams a bit and had a few bad dropped passes. But they also had no turnovers and played smarter and more disciplined (like usual)

And like I said, I'm worried about the byu defense.


I'm not worried about the offense though. I would be worried about the offense if they were punting a lot and having lots of 3 and outs.

They played one of the best defenses in the country and only punted 3 times for the game. They were 6-12 on 3rd downs (the Utes were 3-12) and only gave up one sack to an incredible d line and averaged decent yards per carry (about 5 yards per carry if you don't count when the backup QB came in to run the wildcat and fumbled the snap and lost yards. Dumb play call there anyway)

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Anyone know what time and channel the Ute game is today?
@Jazzman12 @tfivas
I'm at work and we have dish Network and hope I can watch it

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