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Utah's Illegal Immigrant List

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants per se..just a way to reduce the number of annoying bandwagon Laker fans :p

I agree.

Did anyone see this punkass laker fan get wasted after game 3? He was talking trash and trying to start something. A group of jazz fans took him up on that offer and took him out. What an idiot.
 
It has nothing to do with making the process "easier." The legal immigration cap is obviously too low.

Legal immigration Visas are completely allocated on the first day they become available. That's not an issue of making it easier to navigate the process. If it was about ease of access then some Visas would go unallocated.

Some of this is about priorities. There are special mechanisms that allow certain individuals to come to the U.S. easily. For instance, Yao Ming didn't have any immigration problems.

Some of it is about election politics. It's difficult to propose, especially as a Republican, an increase in the cap on legal Visas because you will be portrayed in your next primary as soft on immigration.

Are you suggesting amnesty? You liberal weenie who spits on the graves of the founding fathers and tramples all over the constitution. Off with his head!

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Not to mention it probably violates the Health Information Portability and Acountability Act, or HIPAA.

Sorry, you are usually so up on these things, I couldn't resist.

Yeah, this is what I get for thinking about it phonetically rather than looking up the actual name of the law again.
 
I too, think that would be a great plan to go after business and probably the most realistic and effective legal way. Here's an interesting thought, how many illegals could you find in one day if you tried? Honestly, I could find hundreds of them at their jobs, residences, and stores. Yeah, I might point out a few that are here legally, but in a simple world, that would be a pretty effective way to filter out the illegals, right? (Yes, I understand a method like that will never happen.)

The problem is, after you deport those hundreds, they'll be right back in 2 weeks employed by the same businesses that continue to break the law.

Crack down on the businesses and illegal immigrants go down.
 
Why not create and distribute a list of companies that are hiring illegal immigrants? Why a list of men, pregnant women, and children? Instead of making threatening phone calls, how about we boycott those businesses, demand that laws be enforced, and basically force businesses to abide by the law?

Because they make the best burritos.
 
I think it's time to start thinking outside the box.

Rather than looking at this as a problem that needs a solution, why don't we try to capitalize on it? I think the Utah Jazz may be able to finally get an edge on the rest of the league. Can you imagine if we were the only team in the league to welcome illegals from across the border? When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.


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Every state should have people willing to put a list like this out. Just awesome..Only problem is now they all should be deported until done legally.
 
https://missoulian.com/news/national/article_cd33c647-5cc4-54a3-9da3-b109920a2c8d.html

Utah identifies 2 allegedly behind immigrant list

Utah officials said Friday they have identified at least two state workers who apparently accessed confidential documents to create a list of 1,300 purported illegal immigrants that was mailed to law enforcement officials and the news media.
Gov. Gary Herbert said the employees work for the Department of Workforce Services, which administers food stamp programs and other public benefits. The employees have been placed on administrative leave.
"It's a very small group. The people we've identified certainly have some strong political opinions and seem to be frustrated with some of the issues around immigration," said Kristen Cox, executive director for the department. "I think it's an immense hypocrisy to talk about taking people to task for being illegal and doing so by breaking the law."
Newspapers started receiving the list of names and personal information this week, and its publicity created widespread fear in the Hispanic community. The anonymous mailing said it also was sent to immigration officials. It demanded that those on the list be deported, although some named have said they are in the country legally.
"This tactic by these rogue employees to go out and to single out individuals and their families, in some case falsely accusing people of an illegal status, is in fact deplorable," Herbert said.
Cox said there may be a few more people implicated in the leak of the names, but she's confident that the core group that is responsible has been identified.
Hispanic advocates applauded how quickly the state acted to find the source of the leak and to assure the community that state policy doesn't allow for just anyone to access private information.
"The governor took the first step today to bring that trust back again," said Tony Yapias, former director of the Office of Hispanic Affairs.
Intentionally releasing a private record in Utah is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. If someone stole such a record, it could be prosecuted as a felony with a penalty punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
"We will begin an immediate, aggressive, formal investigation," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff promised Friday on a conference call with national and local Hispanic leaders.
Herbert said accessing the private information and distributing it to federal immigration authorities is also a violation of federal law. Shurtleff said he would seek the help of the U.S. attorney's office.
"We're talking serious, felony-level crimes," Shurtleff said.
The list contains Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women.
Cox said most of the people on the list are there because their children are receiving benefits.
Herbert said there are two benefits administered by the state _ food stamps and prenatal care _ that would provide information that could indicate someone is in the country illegally. The state keeps records of the relatives of those receiving benefits because it has to know what each person's household income is before benefits are issued.
Officials continued investigating the list Friday even though state employees usually have the day off as part of the state's four-day workweek to cut energy costs.
The investigation comes as Herbert, a Republican, prepares to host a public immigration summit Tuesday. Herbert has said he will sign an immigration bill into law next year if he's still in office, but it's unclear how closely that bill might mirror one lawmakers recently passed in Arizona.
Arizona's law, which takes effect July 29, directs police enforcing other laws to determine a suspect's immigration status if there is reason to believe the person is in the U.S. illegally. The Obama administration has sued Arizona to throw out the law and keep other states from copying it.

Wouldn't it be sweet if they published the names, addresses, and private information of these criminals? Not only in English, but in Spanish as well.
 
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It seems everyone is taking for granted that the problem is that people are here illegally and that our immigrations system is proper, just needs to be enforced better. I wonder how/why many of you came to that conclusion? That's not the conclusion I've come to, at all.
 
I think it is an all out approach. Penalizing businesses that hire illegals, securing the border, but also making legal immigration easier. It wouldn't be such a problem if a lot of these illegals weren't getting free rides. Health Care being a big one. Anyway, JMO.
 
First, with the trillions of dollars spent accross the world you would think we could have spent a few hundred million and built a quality fence with checkpoints that would have solved the issue of harmful illegal immigration years ago. I realize this is a huge undertaking, however, with the amount of money we have committed to Iraq and Afganistan and the aid we have sent all over the world if we spent a fraction on this we would be able to pull it off.

Second, my fence comment aside, I think there is such a thing as harmful illegal immigration and unharmful illegal immigration. If someone comes to this country, obeys the rules, pays taxes, maintains health, car and other beneficial insurance, acts in responsible manner both in terms of behavior and finanically, and in general is not a drain on society I don't care where they are from, they are welcome here. In fact, I think they are an asset. In terms of harmfull illegal immigration, those that break the law, don't maintain health insurance and are a drain on society, I support deportation for those.

There is a solution for harmful illegal immigration. First, secure the borders. Second, create a guest worker program where they are given an orienation and continued training regarding what it takes to be a productive member of society. Create a registry for guest workers and mandate that they renew their "Guest Worker License" every year. If they break the law they get deported. If they don't maintain health and car insurance they get huge fines, etc. This would provide a way to manage the challenges that illegal immigration creates which is namely the drain on government and society resources if the people don't pay taxes and maintain insurance etc.

I also find it quite ironic that many of the people are acting in such an aggressive manner towards illegal aliens would consider Ronald Reagan to be a great president and in some cases a "hero". If they did some research they would find that Reagan actually had some very progressive policies and if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) actually granted amnesty in 1986 to illegal immigrants.
 
LOL @ building a fence.

Why not ask Germany how well that worked out.

Two way different examples. East Germany was trying to keep their citizens in and they were quite effective at that. There is no way you are going to have a 100% success rate. If we adopted Mexico's laws for illegal immigration then you would see a swift drop in illegal immigration. As for solving the problem; I like the ideas making it easier to do this legally and cheaper for that matter. I have no problem with people who are willing to come here and work while paying into the system like everyone else. I have a problem with those who do come over here and are given entitlements. I don't expect you guys to pay for my health insurance nor should I have to pay for yours. JMO
 
First, with the trillions of dollars spent accross the world you would think we could have spent a few hundred million and built a quality fence with checkpoints that would have solved the issue of harmful illegal immigration years ago. I realize this is a huge undertaking, however, with the amount of money we have committed to Iraq and Afganistan and the aid we have sent all over the world if we spent a fraction on this we would be able to pull it off.

Second, my fence comment aside, I think there is such a thing as harmful illegal immigration and unharmful illegal immigration. If someone comes to this country, obeys the rules, pays taxes, maintains health, car and other beneficial insurance, acts in responsible manner both in terms of behavior and finanically, and in general is not a drain on society I don't care where they are from, they are welcome here. In fact, I think they are an asset. In terms of harmfull illegal immigration, those that break the law, don't maintain health insurance and are a drain on society, I support deportation for those.

There is a solution for harmful illegal immigration. First, secure the borders. Second, create a guest worker program where they are given an orienation and continued training regarding what it takes to be a productive member of society. Create a registry for guest workers and mandate that they renew their "Guest Worker License" every year. If they break the law they get deported. If they don't maintain health and car insurance they get huge fines, etc. This would provide a way to manage the challenges that illegal immigration creates which is namely the drain on government and society resources if the people don't pay taxes and maintain insurance etc.

I also find it quite ironic that many of the people are acting in such an aggressive manner towards illegal aliens would consider Ronald Reagan to be a great president and in some cases a "hero". If they did some research they would find that Reagan actually had some very progressive policies and if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) actually granted amnesty in 1986 to illegal immigrants.

Good post. The guest program is a good idea, but in my experience, many illegals have been able to work here while appearing to be legitimate anyway.


Many years ago, I was living in SLC and working as a landscaper. I started as a teenager working with other locals, and watched as a few Mexicans(didn't consider them illegals at the time) worked their way into the mix. Within 5 years, I was the only English speaking employee. Back then I'll admit, I was very naive. Just the same, I was good friends with my boss, and I knew his paperwork was on the level, and he didn't mess around with the government when it came to taxes.

Every winter I would work doing snow removal, while the Mexicans would go back to Mexico to visit their families, not to return until spring. One year, one of our best workers didn't show up when he was supposed to, and after asking the other workers for a week or two, they finally admitted he had been caught by border patrol and sent back. This was the first time I realized that at least some of these people were here illegally. I was confused. At the time, we thought any Mexican who made it to Utah had to be legit. We thought of illegal aliens as people who came across the border, found jobs in California making minimum wage, and really didn't impact our lives at all. Instead, they were making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour just like me. The fact of the matter was they all had green cards and were getting taxes taken out of their checks just like everyone else. I guess it wasn't too hard to circumvent the system. I bring this up now, only because I think Realjazz makes a legitimate point about unharmful illegal immigration.

At this point in my life, I support tougher policies against illegal immigration, but I can't forget the fact that I was friends with many of these people in my past, and the ones I knew were here working their asses off and living as cheaply as possible, just so they could send money home to their families.
 
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