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Utah's long journey to relevance

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ESPN article by Zach Lowe

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14647616/the-jazz-hope-enough-money-their-rebuilding-plan-work

"We don't have that one dominant player," Utah coach Quin Snyder told ESPN.com. "That one guy we can throw the ball to and say, 'He's gonna score.'"
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"You can see some similarities in the way Trey and Draymond Green play," Hayward told ESPN.com.
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Hayward understands that financial realities could break up a team on the rise. "I'm constantly thinking about that," he said. "Contracts are so short now. A lot of our guys are on their rookie deals, and they'll come up for extensions. It all might determine whether or not I stay in Utah."
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Dealing Hayward now would act as a hedge against his free agency and perhaps land Utah a top-five pick -- one last shot at finding that elusive superstar. The Jazz have to at least think about calling Boston and Brad Stevens, Hayward's college coach, about a deal sending Hayward to the Celtics for the Nets pick, and maybe another first-rounder
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That's not sexy, but the Jazz rarely do sexy, and they don't have to now, unless a can't-miss opportunity falls into their laps. We are always in a rush to break up a good team that lacks a superstar. Let's allow the Jazz to marinate. Let's see what this team is.
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That article with give you night sweats. Read with caution.

This year has been a train wreck. Very valuable time lost. Expensive, rebuild-altering decisions approaching.
 
NAOS said:
That article with give you night sweats. Read with caution.

This year has been a train wreck. Very valuable time lost. Expensive, rebuild-altering decisions approaching.
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Yeah it made me think we need to do the Duhrun trade with Hayward... One step forward... two back.

It is time for Management to make an effing decision about what the eff we are doing. Slow builds are fine, but with contracts being shorter they can't be snail paced builds. We either need to move Hayward for picks and be truly about development or get some pieces that can help us win this year even if it means selling off some future assets or cap flexibility. Our current path leads to Hayward bailing for nothing because of lack of progress. That would be devastating.
 
This article is for the most part spot on, it's tone is more panicked then it needs to be though, The FO is positioned to obviate all of these issues... I don't think injuries will force their hand either, who's been more injured than Utah anyways?!? name me another team -- That's why I'm pretty sure the FO will be treating this season kinda like a mulligan.

The deals presented are mostly overpays for Utah, and I doubt they'd pull the trigger.

the Hayward deal is different though, that's got nothing to do with injuries, and everything to do with snowballing assets while preserving the cap(FLEXIBILITY)
If they could get that Celtics pick, plus another 1st from Boston. Haywards a great player but moving him out of the conference lessens the blow...

That's 2 possible lottery picks this year. Jaylen Brown and Furkan Korkmaz look like solid projects on the wing, Hood looks like he could handle .. As i've stated before if they start trading these younger vets for rookie deals, they could keep the team average age low for many, many seasons to come. It's a good plan, and buys them more time to find(develop) a catalyst for some explosive offense (without paying top dollar to do so).
 
PG_AB said:
This article is for the most part spot on, it's tone is more panicked than it needs to be though, The FO is positioned to obviate all of these issues... I don't think injuries will force their hand either, who's been more injured than Utah anyways?!? name me another team -- That's why I'm pretty sure the FO will be treating this season kinda like a mulligan.

The deals presented are mostly overpays for Utah, and I doubt they'd pull the trigger.

the Hayward deal is different though -
If they could get that Celtics pick, plus another 1st from Boston, that's a good deal and snowballing assets IMO, Haywards a great player but moving him out of the conference lessens the blow...

That's 2 possible lottery picks this year. Jaylen Brown and Furkan Korkmaz look like solid projects on the wing, Hood looks like he could handle .. As i've stated before if they start trading these younger vets for rookie deals, they could keep the team average age low for many, many seasons to come. It's a good plan, and buys them more time to find(develop) a catalyst for some explosive offense (without paying top dollar to do so).
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Don't you think we should take a punt on one of the PGs in this draft?
 
King Cy said:
You have to package Burks/Burke for a legitimate starting PG who can play both ends.
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We don't even need to go that far IMO. One more consistent playmaker and we would probably whether this storm. I think we could get a guy like Lou Williams would have helped us whether the storm. We needed to add a pg or wing this offseason and passed... When Exum went down we needed to adjust. That depth might have changed a handful of these close games.

I understand why we didn't address third big because we drafted lyles and Booker was good last year... But we needed perimeter depth either through a wing or pg... Guys were available and we passed. Literally any deal outside of the Kanter or Asia deals signed this offseason would have been another asset. This is the product of being too passive in the offseason. It's not haywards fault or any of our players... I wouldn't blame Hayward if he wanted out. Guy wants to win and we are bakking, cooking, and developing our way to the middle... Actually lower middle. We've not done near enough to support these guys by providing talent around them.
 
This may be why the Jazz have allowed Hood to takeover end of games to see what they have.

For a 2nd year player Hood does awesome IMO. Way better than Hayward's 2nd year.

Also explains why Locke has been building up Haywards numbers of late (increase trade value).

Hayward would kill it in the East.


Hmmmmmmm
 
The main points of this article have been in the back of my mind for a while. However, I'm really not attached to any of these guys except Gobert because of unique skill-set. I love Favors, Hayward, Burks and Hood but I'd be all for trading any and all of them if it made the team better.

The one thing I do know is if The Jazz push the re-set button like they did 3 years ago without bringing back equal or better talent then I'm gone for good. I imagine anyone who values their time would do the same.
 
candrew said:
The main points of this article have been in the back of my mind for a while. However, I'm really not attached to any of these guys except Gobert because of unique skill-set. I love Favors, Hayward, Burks and Hood but I'd be all for trading any and all of them if it made the team better.

The one thing I do know is if The Jazz push the re-set button like they did 3 years ago without bringing back equal or better talent then I'm gone for good. I imagine anyone who values their time would do the same.
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I agree the most special allstar can be Gobert AS LONG AS HE STAYS HEALTHY. That is my only concerns with bigs.

Hayward - really tough call. Probably 30th best player in the NBA who may peak at #20 or so. Since he is a UFA after next season, if we can get something good I'd go for it. I have no idea what Hayward is thinking but if money was no longer an issue for me, I would want to win. I assume he will leave after next year unless winning is right in front of him. He almost said that in the article above.

Hood - I would not trade. Him and Gobert are my only locks.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Don't you think we should take a punt on one of the PGs in this draft?
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Well they have 4 picks in the draft so sure why not.

Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn depending on where the pick lands would be no-brainers in the 1st.

They could have their eye on a few PG's worthy of being selected in the 2nd, ya never know who declares - Maybe Jawun Evans, Marcus Paige, Tyler Ulis, Kahlil Felder, Monte Morris or even if Isaiah Briscoe, Malik Newman or Wade Baldwin were to fall to the 2nd.

Maybe Olivier Hanlan's ready by then too? he's shooting 40% from 3 and can play some PG. There will be plenty of options.
 
ijazz said:
I agree the most special allstar can be Gobert AS LONG AS HE STAYS HEALTHY. That is my only concerns with bigs.

Hayward - really tough call. Probably 30th best player in the NBA who may peak at #20 or so. Since he is a UFA after next season, if we can get something good I'd go for it. I have no idea what Hayward is thinking but if money was no longer an issue for me, I would want to win. I assume he will leave after next year unless winning is right in front of him. He almost said that in the article above.

Hood - I would not trade. Him and Gobert are my only locks.
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I cant believe the lack respect Favor gets Jazzfanz? Someone please tell me why a top 8 PF has no respect?
 
PG_AB said:
Well they have 4 picks in the draft so sure why not.

Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn depending on where the pick lands would be no-brainers in the 1st.

They could have their eye on a few PG's worthy of being selected in the 2nd, ya never know who declares - Maybe Jawun Evans, Marcus Paige, Tyler Ulis, Kahlil Felder, Monte Morris or even if Isaiah Briscoe, Malik Newman or Wade Baldwin were to fall to the 2nd.

Maybe Olivier Hanlan's ready by then too? he's shooting 40% from 3 and can play some PG. There will be plenty of options.
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Exactly ... lots of options for PGs this year.
 
Trading Hayward for a pick would mean the failure of this rebuild, unless the pick explodes, and he explodes fast. He is so integral to our offense, that we'd probably struggle to win 20 games without him.

If you want to swing for the fences, you trade Favors. Most likely, the Jazz will continue to sign marginal players, and allow players to walk once salary demands become too high.
 
Siro said:
Trading Hayward for a pick would mean the failure of this rebuild, unless the pick explodes, and he explodes fast. He is so integral to our offense, that we'd probably struggle to win 20 games without him.

If you want to swing for the fences, you trade Favors. Most likely, the Jazz will continue to sign marginal players, and allow players to walk once salary demands become too high.
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Unless we can get Ingram, I wouldn't trade Hayward.
 
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