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So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
 
vegas said:
So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
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Not sure but he thinks about it all the time.
 
vegas said:
So I'm was just re-reading the Hayward quote. Is he threatening to leave if the team isn't good enough, or certain players aren't there or is he saying he may not be retained because there is not enough cap space for what the salary he wants/expects?
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I think it's whether or not we have to "break up a team on the rise". As an example if they had to trade away Favors for picks, I think he's saying he's not sure if he'll stay or not in that situation.
 
NAOS said:
Should I go back and see if he actually "loves" the position the jazz are in, or will you cop to an overstatement? Not trying to accuse you, really, but that wasn't the impression that I got.
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I'm not going to try to change your predetermined idea of the tone of the article but the impression I got is that Lowe thinks that this team is very capable of recreating it's success last season. He definitely seems like someone who believes in the core, even bringing up the Detroit Piston example. I could pull quotes and you could pull quotes but it's pointless cause neither of us is going to change our minds.
 
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MDAV28 said:
I'm not going to try to change your predetermined idea of the tone of the article but the impression I got is that Lowe thinks that this team is very capable of recreating it's success last season. He definitely seems like someone who believes in the core, even bringing up the Detroit Piston example. I could pull quotes and you could pull quotes but it's pointless cause neither of us is going to change our minds.
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woah, bro. woah. I like your takes, so it was a genuine curiosity. The article didn't leave me with any warm and fuzzies, that's all.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Everybody... It isn't that we wouldn't pay Hayward or that he isn't worth or that we wouldn't have the cap space. He has to choose us and we have very little leverage. He knows he can get max anywhere he goes and his new team can offer us a small incentive so he can get his five year max... The issue is he has to decide he wants to be here over everywhere else.
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He can't get a 5-year max anywhere but here and can't get the 7.5% raise anywhere but here. Sign-and-trades are dead under the new CBA.
 
Let's say the salary cap is 108,000,000 in 2018 like it's projected right now.

Hayward signing a max with us would get a 5 year/$186 million dollar deal (!!!)
Hayward signing a max with anybody else would get a 4 year/$137 million dollar deal

He would be leaving a guaranteed year and $49 million on the table

*rough quick estimates. Point is he'd be leaving a lot on the table
 
Is everybody accounting for the fact that the team currently is pretty tight? More like a college team. They spend a lot of time together, though Hayward and Jeremy Evans used to spend lots of time gaming together.
 
NAOS said:
I'm sure you agree that the "moronic-ness" of any trade fully depends on weighing the outgoing versus the incoming. Would you support trading Favors if it brought back a player on the next tier? I'm sure you would.
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i mean this should go without saying.
 
MDAV28 said:
Let's say the salary cap is 108,000,000 in 2018 like it's projected right now.

Hayward signing a max with us would get a 5 year/$186 million dollar deal (!!!)
Hayward signing a max with anybody else would get a 4 year/$137 million dollar deal

He would be leaving a guaranteed year and $49 million on the table

*rough quick estimates. Point is he'd be leaving a lot on the table
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That is some intense money.
 
Maybe we should go after James Johnson seeing as he's been basically making #bullDog Demarre Carroll expendable.
 
MDAV28 said:
He can't get a 5-year max anywhere but here and can't get the 7.5% raise anywhere but here. Sign-and-trades are dead under the new CBA.
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Just looked up the faqs and you are right on the five year max. I am more convinced we have the leverage to keep him. That's a lot of dough but I think haywards worth it and I'd rather move other pieces. He drove a damn accord for 3 or 4 years as a rookie. No way he passes on the cash. I'd rather move other parts to make us more competitive now than trade Hayward.

If the reports that Atlanta is shopping Teague are true we should be all over that. He's under contract for another year and a half which is exactly what we need with Exum likely using next year to play his way to recovery.
 
MDAV28 said:
Let's say the salary cap is 108,000,000 in 2018 like it's projected right now.

Hayward signing a max with us would get a 5 year/$186 million dollar deal (!!!)
Hayward signing a max with anybody else would get a 4 year/$137 million dollar deal

He would be leaving a guaranteed year and $49 million on the table

*rough quick estimates. Point is he'd be leaving a lot on the table
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Btw haywards agent is so effing smart. He played this thing perfectly.
 
NAOS said:
Phoenix gives you HELL NO in all caps
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The Suns have a ton of young players. I think they understand and aren't afraid of the rebuild. This gets some contracts off the books and some more young depth. Knight has been a disappointment, and Chandler is great for a team trying to win now. I could see Phoenix trying to squeeze out a 1st from Boston. However Phoenix should be trying to create financial flexibility, room for the young players to grow and loses. This deal would gives the Suns all 3, and likely some future assets.
 
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