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I understand compromise and moderation.

No you don't. If you did then you would give credit to rightist ideas on lowering health care costs, which seems to be your narrow target. Instead, you're hell bent on bashing the right with the same tired talking points. You're a propagandist, and frankly, not a very good one.

The left has done everything to stop every single idea the right has put forth to help cure the alleged health care problems. Everyone with a sane mind can see this. Shockingly, this was absent in your grand compromise-love-all-let's-work-together post. It was off kilter right bashing at it's worst. Congrats on being a leftist version of Glenn Beck.
 
Fulfilling a statutory debt hardly means what he did wasn't atrocious and I have this antiquated notion that there are things bad enough that society should not champion you thereafter.

Of course it was atrocious, but so is factory farming, and most of the country blindly and directly supports that atrocity without batting an eye. Dunoon what else the guy has to do. He served time, went through public humiliation, attended hundreds of hours of community service, lost hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements, and will indefinitely be on supervision. From his conduct he truly appears remorseful for his actions.
 
Again the thing about your opinion, and I'm sorry I'm the one that has to keep telling you this.

It's wrong. And not necessarily because of the likelihood of the outcomes that you predict... because infact they may be quite high. It's your reasoning. If you turn out to be correct, it's not because you were right. It's because of outside factors that are too complicated for you to understand (don't worry, it's complicated for a lot of people to understand).

But never the less the idea that Republican governor = red state is completely absurd. Especially since oh so much can happen in 2 years.

Think about where Barack Obama was in 2006... two years before he was to be elected prez. He was a DNP longshot who was just barely banking in on some fame, after a glorious speech at the 2004 DNC.

Listen chump, the majority of this country hates that clown. They don't want his health care crap. Nobody likes how it took forever for him to handle the oil spill. People supported the AZ immigration laws and he went against them. Seniors blame him for no cost of living raises (not his decision, but he and his congress could have changed the formula for that). Now people will blame him for 'giving into Republicans' and extending the tax cuts, even though if the Republicans actually had their way, they would be permanent.

I know PA, I know what people think here. The only fools left in this state who like him are the morons who keep saying 'give him some time'. This **** isn't going to fly in 2012. And it's not just my state, you saw what happened in November.

And for the record, I'm not currently a Palin fan. I hope like hell she doesn't get the nomination because she will just get the same garbage vote from feminists that blacks gave Obama in 2008. You know Bill Parcells coined the phrase 'celebrity quarterback', well these two would be 'celebrity presidents'. Sorry bro, Obama is toast in 2012.
 
Someone tell me what the Republicans "gave up" in the health care debate when at the end of the day, the DNC was forced to resort to reconciliation to push through a bill that went from universal health care (or at the very least, a public option) to forcing people to buy private insurance. That bill is somewhere between an abomination and joke, with the punch line being that it might not ever even become enacted at the end of it all. Colossal failure.

I assume you're into the Bush Tax Cut extension that you'll likely never seen any benefit from either, but that's another story.

Obama doesn't have all the answers, but giving the minority party power - even after its policies of rampant de-regulation, deficit spending, and tax cuts (primarily for the richest) only served as a catalyst for a market collapse and the largest divide between the poor and the rich since the early 20th century - is not something he has to do, and the people that voted for him believed it was incumbent upon him to try to reverse the damage. Not further it's agenda out of cowardice.

At this stage, the only clear reason I'm happy he won is so Palin isn't VP. That is a truly terrifying and embarrassing proposition. I guess it might get worse as she might be the president in 2012 to give credence to the Mayan prophesy.
 
Someone tell me what the Republicans "gave up" in the health care debate when at the end of the day, the DNC was forced to resort to reconciliation to push through a bill that went from universal health care (or at the very least, a public option) to forcing people to buy private insurance. That bill is somewhere between an abomination and joke, with the punch line being that it might not ever even become enacted at the end of it all. Colossal failure.

I assume you're into the Bush Tax Cut extension that you'll likely never seen any benefit from either, but that's another story.

Obama doesn't have all the answers, but giving the minority party power - even after its policies of rampant de-regulation, deficit spending, and tax cuts (primarily for the richest) only served as a catalyst for a market collapse and the largest divide between the poor and the rich since the early 20th century - is not something he has to do, and the people that voted for him believed it was incumbent upon him to try to reverse the damage. Not further it's agenda out of cowardice.

At this stage, the only clear reason I'm happy he won is so Palin isn't VP. That is a truly terrifying and embarrassing proposition. I guess it might get worse as she might be the president in 2012 to give credence to the Mayan prophesy.

Don't assume. I didn't like the Bush tax cuts when they happened, but I can understand economics enough to recognize that repealing them now, in a recession, would be economic suicide.

Also remember that de-regulation largely happened during the Clinton presidency with a democratic congress. Clinto himself signed the bill that eliminated decades of financial regulations imposed after the great depression, designed to forestall another such economic catastrophe. As so often is the case it was a political move, occurring not long before another election.

After the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act it took years before the full effects would be seen, as banks after bank conglomerated into huge entities and the sub-prime rates climbed through the roof. Banks took on bad debt, selling it off to reap profits that wer merely shadows, electronic numbers, very reminiscent of the major cause of the depression: buying stocks on the margin and financial insititutions basing their liquidity on stock ownership. So the collapse, that started with the final bill that repealed the Glass-Stegal act, didn't really hit us until well into the Bush presidency.

In reality the Bush presidency had little to do with it, the law had already been changed, and they instituted the tax cuts in the hope of jump-starting an economy that was slowly being ham-strung by the rampant changes in financial institutions and the impending collapse of the mortgage industry (also as a political move to bolster support when the Iraq war became more and more unpopular).

In the end the damage was done. And then Bush and congress truly failed when they did not tear the banks apart and instead subsidized them. The fact that they were "too big to fail" was directly a product of stupid decisions made by politicians over the years, and finally signed into law by Bill Clinton,and Bush was too spineless to do what had to be done and let them fail to bring it back to some manageable level where one single entity falling apart would not have the power to destroy our economy.

Here is a timeline if you are interested. It is mostly non-partisan, and leaves out some key elements, but it tells the story well enough. If you really care you will research it more before spouting off blame where blame lies only in part, and a small part at that.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html

Again you have clearly bought into the democrats propoganda. Buying into the republicans isn't really any better. Seriously do some reasearch and think for yourself.
 
I assume you're into the Bush Tax Cut extension that you'll likely never seen any benefit from either, but that's another story.

Taxes and the bush tax cuts have been adressed in another thread, but since you have made it clear that you won't read long enough to understand the other person's position I won't bother posting a link for you.
 
And for the record, I'm not currently a Palin fan. I hope like hell she doesn't get the nomination because she will just get the same garbage vote from feminists that blacks gave Obama in 2008. You know Bill Parcells coined the phrase 'celebrity quarterback', well these two would be 'celebrity presidents'. Sorry bro, Obama is toast in 2012.

Certain types of women might be more likely to vote for Palin but it isn't feminists. Feminists hate Palin, even though they claim to be the champion for women like her. Their only issue is abortion, and it is obvious Palin doesn't support their issue.

There is absolutely no way Palin would get +90% of the women's vote like Obama got 90% of the black vote.
 
Certain types of women might be more likely to vote for Palin but it isn't feminists. Feminists hate Palin, even though they claim to be the champion for women like her. Their only issue is abortion, and it is obvious Palin doesn't support their issue.

There is absolutely no way Palin would get +90% of the women's vote like Obama got 90% of the black vote.

I guess you're right, and you're definitely right about the percentages, it won't have the same impact as Obama. But there's going to be a lot of women voting for her just because they are the same gender and it 'inspires' them or some garbage. I don't go for crap like that.
 
I guess you're right, and you're definitely right about the percentages, it won't have the same impact as Obama. But there's going to be a lot of women voting for her just because they are the same gender and it 'inspires' them or some garbage. I don't go for crap like that.

I get your point but if I liked a candidate because I thought they had the right principles and were the best for the job I don't think I would care what the motivations were for others to vote for them. Just saying.
 
I get your point but if I liked a candidate because I thought they had the right principles and were the best for the job I don't think I would care what the motivations were for others to vote for them. Just saying.

Hear hear. I wish more people would vote with their minds rather than along party lines, or because of feel-good stories or because their dad was always republican or whatever other BS excuses are used. Read, learn about the issues, learn about what the politicians think about the issues. Make an informed decision no matter how your neighbor or wife or parent or Bill O'Reilly or Bill Maher or Mike Malloy are voting.
 
That was a nice summary LG98. I'd like to add just a tiny little tid-bit that is usually left out. The mortgage market claws went right into the heart of the money market, which is what the entire financial world has been crafted around. If anyone is interested then look at Annaly's (NLY) funding for the big picture overview. Anyone remember Representative Jankorski's claim of a run on the money market? He's a PA guy Sloanfeld.
 
That was a nice summary LG98. I'd like to add just a tiny little tid-bit that is usually left out. The mortgage market claws went right into the heart of the money market, which is what the entire financial world has been crafted around. If anyone is interested then look at Annaly's (NLY) funding for the big picture overview. Anyone remember Representative Jankorski's claim of a run on the money market? He's a PA guy Sloanfeld.

Good point. I did miss that part of it.
 
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