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Voter ID - Reasonable or Disenfranchising?

JazzSpazz said:
Making money does not equate to good decision making for anyone but yourself.
Lots of people make money by making bad decisions that hurt others.

Knowing answers to those lame questions does not prove identity. It proves you know the answers to those lame questions that are asked. Just to prove that point, I broke into one of my companies bank accounts online that my boss set up. I had the login name, and password, and I figured out those questions pretty easily. My boss was gone, and I needed to get something done, so it wasn't something I would get into trouble for, but it is very possible to beat those stupid questions if you know anything about the person that set up the account.

Your arguments have holes all in them. If you have a legitimate argument without saying the same things over and over, go ahead and reply. Otherwise lets end this the same way we end all of our discussions. You clinging to the sinking ship, while claiming you are the "King of the World".

You have your opinion that makes no sense, and I have my opinion... that in the words of Trout, is greater than science.
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You figured out the answers to those questions, just like I had a fake ID when I was a teenager. Nothing is bulletproof.
 
Salty you are right nothing is bulletproof. However gettign a fake ID is just as difficult as getting a real one under these bills. Especially since they are providing them. If they skip that go the illegal route then that should raise some heavy questions as to why and should they even be voting?

Also he does have a point about security questions being used as ID. Banks and government agencies do that on phone calls all the time. The problem is that I do not want some random dude at a voting station having all of my information with him. Talk about an easy target for fraud/ID theft.
 
Scat said:
https://www2.wjbf.com/news/2012/jan/11/dead-people-voting-south-carolina-ar-3027685/
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The report says nearly 900 deceased people have been voting, which caught the attention of South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson.
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LOL - first of all the article plainly states the report by the DMV is in dispute. Besides, The ****ing DMV???? Yeah, there's a bastion of efficiency for you. I'm sure their numbers are rock solid.

And lemme guess, the DMV is privatized in SC; right? I wonder why they would spend time and money doing studies like this? You wouldn't think it has anything to do with the 230,000K+ plus people in SC that don't have a valid state ID.

https://www.rob-servations.com/1/post/2011/12/doj-rejects-south-carolinas-voter-id-law.html

So let's see 230K x $18 for a state ID? That's over 4 million dollars. You wouldn't think this has anything to do with money do you? Haven't we had our rights trampled over enough in the last decade over the false fascade of security? Now we stand to lose even more freedom over moeny?

And even if they gave out state ID's for free. At the end of the day you're talking about potentially disenfranchising over 200K people because 900 MAY have voted illegally?

This is what happens when ideology replaces common sense.
 
candrew said:
LOL - first of all the article plainly states the report by the DMV is in dispute. Besides, The ****ing DMV???? Yeah, there's a bastion of efficiency for you. I'm sure their numbers are rock solid.

And lemme guess, the DMV is privatized in SC; right? I wonder why they would spend time and money doing studies like this? You wouldn't think it has anything to do with the 230,000K+ plus people in SC that don't have a valid state ID.

https://www.rob-servations.com/1/post/2011/12/doj-rejects-south-carolinas-voter-id-law.html

So let's see 230K x $18 for a state ID? That's over 4 million dollars. You wouldn't think this has anything to do with money do you? Haven't we had our rights trampled over enough in the last decade over the false fascade of security? Now we stand to lose even more freedom over moeny?

And even if they gave out state ID's for free. At the end of the day you're talking about potentially disenfranchising over 200K people because 900 MAY have voted illegally?

This is what happens when ideology replaces common sense.
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You made interesting points in there. However the one that I bolded I just do not buy.
 
Stoked said:
You made interesting points in there. However the one that I bolded I just do not buy.
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I'm glad you read my post but what's not to buy? I mean, yeah, not everyone of those folks are gonna go out and vote. But at what point does a voter ID law become intuitive relative to the DMV's numbe?. If only 10% become disenfranchised, that's still 20,000+ people who won't be able to vote. You're not even in the same ballpark

And before someone says tough luck if you won't pony up $18 for a state id - it's not about them. It's about me. Because when people who don't have $18 can't vote that brings them one step closer to me - and you.
 
I still dont see how proving who you are and that you have the right to even vote is somehow wrong. Only thing that disenfranchises is fraud.
I suppose when you lose a bunch of votes from this clause then, yes, it becomes all about some moral stance.
 
candrew said:
At the end of the day you're talking about potentially disenfranchising over 200K people because 900 MAY have voted illegally?
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Those 900 may have changed the course of history.

Numbers are important in elections. After all, the 2000 presidential election was decided by just over 500 votes.
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My guess is that if people really felt strongly about voting they'd take the necessary steps to do so. Otherwise the only reason they vote now is because the DNC offers them a free meal and a ride to the polling station for their vote. Straight Democrat ballot of course.
 
Scat said:
53K dead voters still on Florida's voter registration roll.

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/

That's just one state. Anybody with a little savvy could easily pull up the information and use it to their candidate's advantage.
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Do you have any stats that show how many fake IDs there are in the state of Florida? I'd be rolling to bet it's more than 53k.

It wouldn't take much savvy to just have someone remove the dead people from voter registration, and automatically remove any future dead people.
 
If you want to vote, prove you are who you say you are. If you are an illegal alien you shouldn't be able to vote, you are not a citizen. I have nothing against illegal aliens, if they are functioning members of society then they are more than welcome to stay, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't really understand why this is an issue.
 
kennykyle said:
If you want to vote, prove you are who you say you are. If you are an illegal alien you shouldn't be able to vote, you are not a citizen. I have nothing against illegal aliens, if they are functioning members of society then they are more than welcome to stay, but they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I don't really understand why this is an issue.
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And flashing an ID is not the only way, or even the best way to prove who you are. I don't understand why this is an issue either.
 
Look, the only fair way to include everybody (I guess for some reason everyone deserves to have a voice in the American political selection process) who wants to vote in the US is to have open voting where anyone can vote as often as they want. In fact, why limit voting to those in the US? Why not put open voting booths in Egypt, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang etc? I don't understand why some people think that only American citizens have the right to decide who their leaders are.
 
SaltyDawg said:
And flashing an ID is not the only way, or even the best way to prove who you are. I don't understand why this is an issue either.
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I think that depends on the situation. I can see using something like you have posted as a way to verify who is voting on early or mail ballots. However I think it is the safest/best way to verify ID for people who show up at the booths to vote.

@Candrew, I always read your posts. Even if we disagree on something you seem more interested in the topic and debating it instead of grandstanding and demonizing those that disagree. I want/like to hear opposing points of view. You never know when you will come across something you didn't think about.
 
Surely said:
Look, the only fair way to include everybody (I guess for some reason everyone deserves to have a voice in the American political selection process) who wants to vote in the US is to have open voting where anyone can vote as often as they want. In fact, why limit voting to those in the US? Why not put open voting booths in Egypt, Tehran, Beijing, Pyongyang etc? I don't understand why some people think that only American citizens have the right to decide who their leaders are.
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Isn't that pretty much what the citizens united ruling accomplished?
 
kennykyle said:
Isn't it the simplest most logical way though?
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Yes it is. Especially since the notion that people cannot get IDs is a non issue since the laws address that specific issue by providing free IDs.
 
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