Warriors and Jazz Mega Trade

[Bodhi]

If the picks stay in the mid-20's then we didn't accomplish much...unless the Jazz can trade up by combining picks. But that's going to be hard to do next year; those top 6-7 picks are going to be VERY valuable. And forget about trying to trade up from #3 to 1 or 2, That ain't gonna happen. In terms of payroll, it's a wash, I think. Jazz would have to pay the difference between floor and actual. This moves handcuffs what we can do at the deadline, so who knows if we could have gotten better assets in return. AS for the picks, there are usually 1 or 2 teams willing to sell a late 1st, just like what happened this year.

Handcuffs us or potentially gives us more options at the deadline?

As for the pics, they are just more assets, man. Plus, you never know what will happen by 2017 and Iggy does very little for them, IMO. As has been said, they are one injury prone player away from walking the line between 8th seed and lottery.

 

[theonlyone]

I like this trade now that I have had time to think about it. I do wonder though if they could have gotten something better for the cap space if they waited it out though.

 

[cowhide]

Tell me... how many 2nd round picks did we get here? I though that I read 4 x 2nd round picks earlier, but I cannot find where. This all makes me giggle.

1. We don't tie up our money on a weak Free Agent Class
2. We have money during a strong Free Agent Class next year
3. We get an unprotected draft pick from a team that is an ankle injury away from being lottery bound
4. We lock in minutes for our youth to develop
5. Corbin will be in his second consecutive year without a playoff bound squad and may have to pack his bags (NEAT!) This will prove true in particular if he pisses off the new vets as he has done in the past (see Watson, Millsap, Bell). Corbin may be stupid enough to play the vets lots of minutes to win a couple more games... sealing the deal for Popovich to join the Jazz in 2014.
6. Our youth may not have winning records so they will likely cost a little less to extend
7. We get tons of picks and flexibility
8. 2014 Lottery Bound is very likely with a possibility at 2 x Lottery Picks in a 'Super Draft'
9. And I like Brandon Rush too.

We look a LOT more like the Supersonics recently turned OKC today than we did yesterday.

This represents aiming for the RING. It is not a 'content with mediocrity' move.

Tee hee!

Excellent post. Welcome to the board. At first reading about the trade on the ESPN ticker it sound like a bad deal for the Jazz but now that I have read the details I think this is a brilliant move by the Jazz.

 

[Coach Ellis]

As a side note: I can't say we really helped GS get better either. Iggy added to Klay and Barnes seems like a lot of headaches and issues with managing egos/hurt feelings.

I think we ****ing fleeced them if these pics are indeed unprotected.

This is a great point. I can see Iggy stunting Barnes growth just like Jefferson and Millsap have for Favors and Kanter.

 

[cowhide]

Can you imagine if Curry/Bogut goes down and the Tankers miss the playoffs? Then the Tankers get the 1st pick and SLC will erupt with laughter never heard in human history.

Also another factor is how happy/unhappy does this make Barnes. Now he may be coming off the bench. The worse thing is GS didn't get Howard. LMAO so there not a sure bet to make the playoffs.

 

[royzzz]

I like this trade now that I have had time to think about it. I do wonder though if they could have gotten something better for the cap space if they waited it out though.

True. Question is with whom?
Rockets for Asik? or NY for Shumpert?

 

[Nicksti]

Excuse my newbie ignorance but you can trade a $788K guy for a $4M guy, $9M guy, $11M guy and 2 draft picks?

I am not complaining because we will be loaded with picks in a talented year. And maybe we can showcase one of these guys and get a trade for another draft pick from a team looking to make the playoffs.
But I thought contracts had to match within a certain amount.

 

[slc]

So is Biedrins now the #3 big on the roster?
Things to consider
He's only 28, he's a seven footer, he played his whole career for cruddy Warriors.
Could he surprise everyone and be better than expected?
He's worth a one year tryout.

 

[bovice]

So is Biedrins now the #3 big on the roster?
Things to consider
He's only 28, he's a seven footer, he played his whole career for cruddy Warriors.
Could he surprise everyone and be better than expected?
He's worth a one year tryout.

Don't get your hopes up

 

[Doublea]

So is Murphy going to play in the summer league still?

 

[orangello]

I love the trade.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I haven't read this entire thread but Dwight isn't headed to the G st team, He's off to Huston.

 

[royzzz]

Question: I am not sure if really relevant here but I don't want to start a new thread just to ask this.
Other than the Jazz's own pick and now GSW pick, does the Jazz have other 2014 draft picks from whoever?
Thanks.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Question: I am not sure if really relevant here but I don't want to start a new thread just to ask this.
Other than the Jazz's own pick and now GSW pick, does the Jazz have other 2014 draft picks from whoever?
Thanks.

No. Jazz own no other picks.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've not been on all day. Ugli gave me a couple tidbits.. so what ie the trade exactly? Are the exact details known?

 

[Harcher]

After all the posts, it does seem to be nothing but positive (other than the offers we didn't see...)
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- we traded Murphy AND our cap space to do this. So letting Millsap and Jefferson walk is a worthy strategy. We have heard many times on the board the complaining about letting folks walk. Well, with the sign-and-trade have less value than in the past, then trading a player for pure cap space (PM + AJ +MoW) seems to be as reasonable strategy as trading them.
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- As SLC noted above, i think Biedrens is a worth 1 year tryout. I don't know his personality, but his game could very well be a nice complement. And, adding my Jazz colored glasses, Utah is a place to get a re-birth. I generally trust the org to accomplish this if there is a personality fit.
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- NOTHING of this look significantly positive for GSW. Can you really believe that Bogut can be healthy? Curry? Great player, but breaking down at this age means its over. Also, i'm with all of you who noted that the warriors have bad mix of players. While i agree there is no way any two picks in next years draft will move you to one of the potential superstars, it is great to have the extra asset. But there is a chance that both Jazz and Warriors suck next year. And it is IDEAL in our plan that 2017 gets an extra pick. This IS the SPURS model. The plan is that by then, 2-3 of our core are a legit "Big 3" and then we simply need a tailored draft pick to keep moving forward (at rookie scale contracts.)
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- Rush - he's an unknown qty to me. i'm glad there is some optimism there. Someone noted above int he thread that he is GOOD ON D. I'm elated about that fact if true. A good wing defender seems to be the key. Someone in one of the recent billion posts noted that the bulk of the stars are at SG/SF.... then BR is the answer.
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Finally, the idea that the Jazz have expiring contracts at next years trade deadline is an asset. I'm shocked that the Jazz traded cap space for "cap space + first rounders" Unbelieveable. Add to that the tryout element for 2 players (i'm counting out Jefferson) and whatever the 2nd round assets are (not sure) this seems to be completely, utterly, no brainer. If they don't have any takers at the trade deadline, then that same cap space pops back up for FA or more lopsided finanical trades.
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The only way this isn't a no brainer is if i understood any ohter options available. And since i'm ignorant to that, then i'm in Jazz fan bliss.

 

[cowhide]

Utah Jazz had to use its cap space no matter what. Would you guys have preferred they sign Paul Millsap, Mo Williams, and some other person for cap space instead and not get the picks?

I agree this was a smart move. I couldn't take see Mo, Foye and even Millsap take playing time and money from our young guys. The expiring will allow Utah to also extend Hayward and Favors.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm just now getting some into on this trade...... holeeeeeeee... this is way bigger than draft night.. I am so damn impressed with the FO.

Raping right now. Wish I had been around today.. no idea what the 45 pages say. Hopefully all ecstatic.

 

[Bodhi]

After all the posts, it does seem to be nothing but positive (other than the offers we didn't see...)
.
- we traded Murphy AND our cap space to do this. So letting Millsap and Jefferson walk is a worthy strategy. We have heard many times on the board the complaining about letting folks walk. Well, with the sign-and-trade have less value than in the past, then trading a player for pure cap space (PM + AJ +MoW) seems to be as reasonable strategy as trading them.
.
- As SLC noted above, i think Biedrens is a worth 1 year tryout. I don't know his personality, but his game could very well be a nice complement. And, adding my Jazz colored glasses, Utah is a place to get a re-birth. I generally trust the org to accomplish this if there is a personality fit.
.
- NOTHING of this look significantly positive for GSW. Can you really believe that Bogut can be healthy? Curry? Great player, but breaking down at this age means its over. Also, i'm with all of you who noted that the warriors have bad mix of players. While i agree there is no way any two picks in next years draft will move you to one of the potential superstars, it is great to have the extra asset. But there is a chance that both Jazz and Warriors suck next year. And it is IDEAL in our plan that 2017 gets an extra pick. This IS the SPURS model. The plan is that by then, 2-3 of our core are a legit "Big 3" and then we simply need a tailored draft pick to keep moving forward (at rookie scale contracts.)
.
- Rush - he's an unknown qty to me. i'm glad there is some optimism there. Someone noted above int he thread that he is GOOD ON D. I'm elated about that fact if true. A good wing defender seems to be the key. Someone in one of the recent billion posts noted that the bulk of the stars are at SG/SF.... then BR is the answer.
.
Finally, the idea that the Jazz have expiring contracts at next years trade deadline is an asset. I'm shocked that the Jazz traded cap space for "cap space + first rounders" Unbelieveable. Add to that the tryout element for 2 players (i'm counting out Jefferson) and whatever the 2nd round assets are (not sure) this seems to be completely, utterly, no brainer. If they don't have any takers at the trade deadline, then that same cap space pops back up for FA or more lopsided finanical trades.
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The only way this isn't a no brainer is if i understood any ohter options available. And since i'm ignorant to that, then i'm in Jazz fan bliss.

Yup. Fantastic post.

 

[Harambe]

I'm just now getting some into on this trade...... holeeeeeeee... this is way bigger than draft night.. I am so damn impressed with the FO.

Raping right now. Wish I had been around today.. no idea what the 45 pages say. Hopefully all ecstatic.

Sadly, it's not. But time will tell.