You can develop all that in pratice, as well.
Only to a point. That's why in football, baseball, and pretty much athletes in any skill sport--including basketball--require time on the field/court to develop. The college level and international league and the development league (not that this in the D-League, they actually play, not just practice) are insufficient to prepare a player. I continue to be puzzled why such a universal concept of on-court / on-field / on-stage development is so foreign to you.
According to Sloan, it was.
Given Sloan's history of poor decisions in substitutions--some of which he has admitted to--that's not saying much.
Being on the floor for more minutes out of desparation is not the same as being capable due to being in shape.
No desperation to be had. Fes had performed on the court repeatedly, the existing frontcourt rotation was getting pwned repeatedly. It would be desperation if Fes was substantially inferior to the status quo.
However, according to go4jazz, Fesenko's weight dropped considerably over last season, so he may have been somewhat ready for the minutes by the playoffs.
He had performed during the season, and Sloan had acknowledged it, so Sloan didn't need to wait for the playoffs.
During the last season, when he was just beginning to get in shape, he was put on the floor for a couple of games when Okur was only availablefor limited minutes.
You whine about redundancy, but you post the same arguments also. Fes wasn't playing long enough to test conditioning, and Okur's conditioning (including agility and speed) was an easy standard for Fesenko to match. So was Millsap's height.
So, he spent only two years goofing off, instead of three. No problem. You might even say last year was his true rookie year.
Given that he hasn't even played 10 minutes * 80 games in the regular season, he's still in his rookie year from an in-game experience perspective. From a conditioning perspective, he was fine mid-season, as the link suggests.
https://www.yougotdunkedon.com/2010/02/2009-2010-nba-regular-season-kyrylo.html
Fesenko's performance was uneven, like many "rookies".
That's what you're gonna get from almost every player at any skill level, from LeBron to Lyde, until you give them minutes. Some of them still don't have the talent, even after being given minutes. Fesenko proved that he did have the talent before this year.
It's Sloan's job to make sure that the players who warrant on-court experience get it. Apparently, until the middle of last season, Fesenko didn't warrant the experience. Now that his "rookie" season is over, he'll be likely to get more minutes.
Yes Fes did; Sloan even said so. And here you are acknowledging "until the middle of last season," which is a step in the right direction--and a big part of my focus, too, as Fesenko was further along in Year 3 than he was in year 2 (unfortunately the limited court time (and, suboptimal discipline) had stunted his rate of progress, even though the signs of his potential and of the need to develop him or somebody else for the C spot were evident long before last year).
Yes, you have a habit of repeating the same assertions.
Only in response to statements from the likes of you--and I tend to add further evidence and/or data and/or analysis, just like I have done in this reply.
Okur's minutes were reduced his first season with the Jazz due to his conditioning (compared to later seasons). They increased after his conditioning improved.[/quote]Great. I'm all for rewarding and penalizing ALL players for their performance. It's part of "equal treatment." Okur averaged about 28 MPG in his first year with the Jazz, and he has averaged about 33 minutes since. But not all of that difference in time is attributable to conditioning, because he was scoring at a significantly lower rate than he has since, and his 3-point shooting was a dismal 27%, and he wasn't off the charts on blocks. (Never has been; he's not a good defender, especially on help D.) Also, it's pretty weak to argue that a player's minutes being cut from 33 to 28 (in retrospect) is a precedent for giving a player only <5 to <6 minutes per available game when, as even you have acknowledged, Fes's conditioning improved during the season (and, as I have pointed out, had several games where he contributed significantly).
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mehmet-Okur-3811/
His examples were Dee Brown and Ronnie Price.
Yes, and I'm not sure why he brought up Dee Brown. From a talent standpoint, Dee Brown's potential wasn't as clear because of his size. He didn't shoot great, but neither do most point guards. If anything, Dee Brown is yet another example of Sloan not developing backups and of a player who wasn't given enough of a chance to stick, but playing DW as many minutes as possible without hurting his health or foul count was a much more understandable decision than giving nearly all the minutes to Okur (whose defense is consistent in one way--porous) and Millsap (who, despite playing with poise and energy (your words), hasn't been a good matchup against some teams or players).
At best, a case of picking your poison. Fesenko many negatives made his positives difficult to use.
I congratulate you, One Brow, on making some progress toward rationality. If we're picking poisons here, then I guess you are talking about Fesenko as opposed to the alternatives (usually Okur and Millsap). On the court (where it matters, btw), Fesenko's help defense was light years better than Okur's, he was rebounding at almost as high a rate (~0.5 RP30 difference), and he has shown that he is making progress on how to score--just like Okur needed, as shown by his truly abysmal sub-43% FG% in his first season, when he had twice as many regular-season minutes as Fesenko has had in total.
