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Way to go craig.

I really have no idea where your head is at, or whether your motive was to make a buck, but you have to recognize how tactless it is of you to hijack a thread about someone's kid getting cancer. Most of your posts had absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I don't know how you can't be ashamed of yourself or why it's so hard for you to just say, "Yeah, I got carried away and didn't show proper reverence for the situation. I'm sorry for that". Instead, you callously or cluelessly head into another pitch.

You sound like a real idiot. Threads get hijacked all the time. But it wasn't me who hijacked it.
I made one statement that did apply to the OP. But a bunch of you had to mouth off. If you guys had just left my first post alone, I would not have posted more. But you couldn't resist the chance to tell me off.
So who hijacked the thread?

If I broke a rule, then go cry to the mods.

Yeah, everything I said was SOOOOOO disrespectful. Oh so now Jazzfanz is all about showing respect? News to me.
I'll bet the OP and his son are really suffering because I didn't give out condolenses. Oh the humanity.
 
You sound like a real idiot. Threads get hijacked all the time. But it wasn't me who hijacked it.
I made one statement that did apply to the OP. But a bunch of you had to mouth off. If you guys had just left my first post alone, I would not have posted more. But you couldn't resist the chance to tell me off.
So who hijacked the thread?

If I broke a rule, then go cry to the mods.

Yeah, everything I said was SOOOOOO disrespectful. Oh so now Jazzfanz is all about showing respect? News to me.
I'll bet the OP and his son are really suffering because I didn't give out condolenses. Oh the humanity.

Yeah we get it. You're obviously pretty enthusiastic about some stuff you are convinced could help, and you tried to help. That was sooooooooooooooooo inconsiderate, and of course doesn't amount to as much as saying "So sorry".

People with cancer often get bombarded with information and "cures" from a lot of sources, and even some doctors try to be hopeful or helpful, and get paid for it. Usually get paid a LOT for it. And often can't really help, either.

But unless you've got your accredited certificate of competence from the State, a lot of people will just call you nuts, or insensitive. I studied cancer for a number of years, while actually being the hands-on labrat and library researcher, and paid from federal grant money. Helped to actually make some new chemotherapy agents way back when, and did the grunt work some well-known scientists published in peer-reviewed journals. I got tired of the inside track as I realized how toxic our stuff really is, and after the lead researcher of that group died from. . . . CANCER. I've seen the hardships people go through in the orthodox treatments, and I've seen some folks die of cancer using quack remedies. One lady I knew used to go around with wheat sprouts "healing" cancer patients, and telling them to stay away from the doctors. She started getting pretty large in the stomach, and was telling people she was having a miracle baby. . . . . but it was really cancer, and it really killed her.

The problem with anecdotal evidence as is often cited by herbalists and naturopaths is it's just ignorant sometimes. If I get diagnosed with cancer, there's some small chance the diagnosis is wrong. It's called the false positive on the logic table. If I then go to the ocean and take a swim, and believe the sea salt can cure it, and never go back for further evaluation, I could live. And I could be telling folks the sea salt cured me.

There are also many things that have been shown in a few studies to have a possible impact on cancer. Selenium in nutritional doses has long been known to help with cancer. There are quite a few other things that are known to provide support for the immune system, which is in fact our best hope in the event of cancer. Fact is, we all get cancer, multiple times every day, but we have two very effective systems usually at work fighting it, and "curing" it every day. It get harder for us to wake up our enzymatic and cellular defenses if these systems have gone to bed for a while, enough for a cancer to become detectable and get diagnosed. That usually puts us in the desperate straits of needing the big guns, like chemotherapy or radiation or surgery, and as sad as the associated effects are it is pretty good judgment to listen to the doctors. And get the help.

Unfortunately, we have a medical establishment and a heavily-lobbied federal oversight system, including grant-funding system, that has fallen into the hands of pharmaceutical interests, and we just don't get good studies of some possibly helpful things, and some are even heavily slandered in the medical press without research to back up the negative assessments. "Unproven" is accepted as proof that no sane person should even consider it. And as reason enough to refuse to fund legitimate studies.

So I get to watch while the medical profession goes about their standard therapy options and I'm told to just shut up. It is not within my power to even reason it out with people I care about sometimes. It gets to be terribly personal, and others will feel imposed upon with even an attempt to offer some faint hope or alternative.

So I have to understand that for most people, all we feel we can offer is sympathy or condolences, which can be very helpful. One of the firmly established facts of cancer is that there is more hope for those who have more hope as they face it and undergo the othodox therapies. . . . . . and the "placebo" therapies, and/or any other way of dealing with it. Our minds are incredibly powerful sometimes, beyond anything in our pharmaceutical warchest. . . . but still not enough to make psychological propaganda an effective "cure". Like some treatments with marginal effectiveness, we just try to use whatever we have. And we still have to accept a pretty unhappy statistic overall.

Being kind and caring, and showing understanding and compassion are some of the better traits we can try to demonstrate, and some of the most helpful.
 
My condolences go out to craig for being an Amway distributor. Keep your head up, you'll find something better soon.
 
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Like I said in the thread, I was offering help.

The rest of you offered sympathy.


So if you and I see a guy laying in the road, having been hit by a car, you are gonna go over to him and tell him how sorry you are for him, and I am going to actually try to admister first aid, and you are gonna tell me what a tool I am for doing that and not feeling sorry for him.


On a serious note, I do feel sorry for anyone who gets cancer (well, most of the time), and I hate to see anyone suffering health problems. I happen to have something that I KNOW can really help.
If you knew you could help someone, but knew that by speaking up you would be laughed at and ridiculed, would you keep your mouth shut?

As for MLM crap, I don't try to make money off of this. I seriously would rather see people get better health. If it doesn't work, then I don't want a dime from it.

And I have given a lot of product to people who couldn't afford it, and I usually buy it in bulk so I can get it to people at reduced prices.

And if you think that Youngevity is just some scam company, then I chalenge you this: They have successfully sued the FDA multiple times and now the FDA recognizes our health claims that ANYONE can use. How do you explain that?

You guys just hate me so much, even if you knew I was right, you would rather go on suffering than to let me help you. Pretty pathetic.

Say, why don't you go ask the mods to ban me? Oh, already have? Shame....
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Why not just IM the poster the information?
 
Ya Creg Way To Go Creg!

You Got Whoresface Banned!

You New He Old And You Beat HIm LIke a Honduras Drug Lord Beat His Only Goat!

Happy?

You R King NOW!

You Win Drought Lose!
 
Ya Creg Way To Go Creg!

You Got Whoresface Banned!

You New He Old And You Beat HIm LIke a Honduras Drug Lord Beat His Only Goat!

Happy?

You R King NOW!

You Win Drought Lose!

I couldn't have said it better myself.





Seriously, I couldn't actually say that.
 
Yeah we get it. You're obviously pretty enthusiastic about some stuff you are convinced could help, and you tried to help. That was sooooooooooooooooo inconsiderate, and of course doesn't amount to as much as saying "So sorry".

People with cancer often get bombarded with information and "cures" from a lot of sources, and even some doctors try to be hopeful or helpful, and get paid for it. Usually get paid a LOT for it. And often can't really help, either.

But unless you've got your accredited certificate of competence from the State, a lot of people will just call you nuts, or insensitive. I studied cancer for a number of years, while actually being the hands-on labrat and library researcher, and paid from federal grant money. Helped to actually make some new chemotherapy agents way back when, and did the grunt work some well-known scientists published in peer-reviewed journals. I got tired of the inside track as I realized how toxic our stuff really is, and after the lead researcher of that group died from. . . . CANCER. I've seen the hardships people go through in the orthodox treatments, and I've seen some folks die of cancer using quack remedies. One lady I knew used to go around with wheat sprouts "healing" cancer patients, and telling them to stay away from the doctors. She started getting pretty large in the stomach, and was telling people she was having a miracle baby. . . . . but it was really cancer, and it really killed her.

The problem with anecdotal evidence as is often cited by herbalists and naturopaths is it's just ignorant sometimes. If I get diagnosed with cancer, there's some small chance the diagnosis is wrong. It's called the false positive on the logic table. If I then go to the ocean and take a swim, and believe the sea salt can cure it, and never go back for further evaluation, I could live. And I could be telling folks the sea salt cured me.

There are also many things that have been shown in a few studies to have a possible impact on cancer. Selenium in nutritional doses has long been known to help with cancer. There are quite a few other things that are known to provide support for the immune system, which is in fact our best hope in the event of cancer. Fact is, we all get cancer, multiple times every day, but we have two very effective systems usually at work fighting it, and "curing" it every day. It get harder for us to wake up our enzymatic and cellular defenses if these systems have gone to bed for a while, enough for a cancer to become detectable and get diagnosed. That usually puts us in the desperate straits of needing the big guns, like chemotherapy or radiation or surgery, and as sad as the associated effects are it is pretty good judgment to listen to the doctors. And get the help.

Unfortunately, we have a medical establishment and a heavily-lobbied federal oversight system, including grant-funding system, that has fallen into the hands of pharmaceutical interests, and we just don't get good studies of some possibly helpful things, and some are even heavily slandered in the medical press without research to back up the negative assessments. "Unproven" is accepted as proof that no sane person should even consider it. And as reason enough to refuse to fund legitimate studies.

So I get to watch while the medical profession goes about their standard therapy options and I'm told to just shut up. It is not within my power to even reason it out with people I care about sometimes. It gets to be terribly personal, and others will feel imposed upon with even an attempt to offer some faint hope or alternative.

So I have to understand that for most people, all we feel we can offer is sympathy or condolences, which can be very helpful. One of the firmly established facts of cancer is that there is more hope for those who have more hope as they face it and undergo the othodox therapies. . . . . . and the "placebo" therapies, and/or any other way of dealing with it. Our minds are incredibly powerful sometimes, beyond anything in our pharmaceutical warchest. . . . but still not enough to make psychological propaganda an effective "cure". Like some treatments with marginal effectiveness, we just try to use whatever we have. And we still have to accept a pretty unhappy statistic overall.

Being kind and caring, and showing understanding and compassion are some of the better traits we can try to demonstrate, and some of the most helpful.
Legalize it?
 
Legalize it?

You might have guessed I usually take the position that the government is perhaps the most incompetent of all possible quacks. If the gov wasn't hogging the road, some other institutions would probably grow and become influential in the sunlight of freedom.

Doctors having differing views could/would form associations called "(Alternative Cancer Therapy of your choice) Association A" through "Z", or "(Pharmaceutical Cartel of your choice) Association A" through "Z", and such, and then some allegedly independent experts would form rating services and information services for enquiring minds. It would probably all be promoted with yellow journalistic embellishments and tactics that'd make Tammany Hall look respectable. And as freaking crazy as all that would be, I'd thread my way through all the crap and maybe make a choice of my own for some reason or another. At least there would be no shortage of stuff we could throw down that blind alley hoping to hit the screeching cat we call cancer.

But maybe the level of discourse would rise above that mob of medicine men hawking their wares with unrestrained rhetoric and reason, and maybe people would actually come around to wanting to make responsible well-researched decisions for themselves. Maybe.

And maybe there'd still be a lot of One Brows who just want the professionals to create their own caste system for their own reasons, and lay out the plan for all mankind backed up with government authority and force, such that we would have a sort of Medical Court where all treatments would be ordered and obeyed unless some wayward soul simply preferred to die untreated in some Jail of Final Recourse. And knowing the way folks think the government should behave, the compliant majority would problably consider it right to just shoot noncompliants on the spot. Oh, you don't think that's a fair characterization of democracy unfettered by technicalities or procedural dances around individual rights? Then why do we need laws to make us all comply, like Obamacare? Fact is, if we accept the government as allegedly "our" agent in taxing, legislating, spending and enforcing, once the government is making all our decisions it's just natural for mangers to standardize every possible "choice". If there's a dollar's difference in the cost between treatment A and treatment B, it would be plainly uneconomical for the government to pay unequally for treatments of the same illness.

As much as I hate to say so, OB has a part of the truth. A lot of professionals are conscientious, if captive to an orthodoxy. Including some scientists doing research. And they have been taught well to use properly equivocal language in dealing with statistical probabilities as shattered people shuffle through their offices looking for hope, and grasping at straws, and keeping a weather eye out for medical malpractice claims that could turn the loss of loved one into a financial triumph for the survivors. . . .or, in deference to the tort lawyers out there, at least restore some part of the life value lost to those most directly affected.

Change doesn't come easily to human beings or human institutions, and what we get in terms of medical "practice" has millions of ties right back to the way we are, individually and collectively. Still, we do have hope in our established institutions because of the people who do care for people, and who do act ethically and who do try to be honest, and who do care for truth. Our technologies and methodogies do get better over time. The way we treat cancer today is significantly better than the way it was done forty, or twenty, or ten years ago.

But before I would really ask the government to "legalize" any kind of treatment, I'd be asking "why bother?". Don't give the government those airs in the first place. Our professional people will still do their best, according to their nature and tendencies, towards achieving success in their lines of specialties, even without a government looking over their shoulders, and issuing licenses or badges, or federal agency approvals. Yet I have to admit to the OBs of the world that federal agency oversight does cull out a lot of sheer nonsense, if it does sometimes just present an absolute barrier to some things that could have helped. Not a lot of people out there want to put out the effort to make that judgment for themselves. And those people are the reason why we have a lot of government. And those people are insisting that I can't make that judgment for myself.

And so, I ask, by what right do you claim that power over me?
 
Between all of your hotties, selling MLM miracle cures, LIFTING HARD, and engineering software, how do you have time to feed your cats -- or give them the love they deserve?

Cats are our closest link to true greatness. Having a cat on your lap for an hour, sitting on a sunny porch on a warm spring day, will improve your IQ by a power of ten.

But if you really want some living thing to care about you, you'd better get a pup.
 
Between all of your hotties, selling MLM miracle cures, LIFTING HARD, and engineering software, how do you have time to feed your cats -- or give them the love they deserve?

Decent question. I once attended an Arnold training seminar. He was asked how he found time to train.
This was his answer:

The question was, how do I find the time to train? It's the same question as when you say, how do you have time to sleep? How do you have the time to eat? How do you have the time to go to work? I mean, you know, it's a priority. If you make training your priority, you can say it's as important as going to sleep or as eating, as working, as long as you make it part of your daily routine, then you will find time because remember the day has only 24 hours and you usually only work 10 hours. In my case, I work 12-14 hours a day because in filming, there's not that kind of schedule where you say, okay, 8 hours and I'm going home, when you're in the middle of a scene, filming a scene, you can't just say to all the actors, "let's cut right here. My 8 hours are over and I'm outa here." So sometimes you work from 5 in the morning to 11 at night at a film, but there's always time like for instance, we break for lunch for one hour. I go a half an hour to the trailer. We have an exercise trailer set up and I go for half an hour and train with weights for the half hour then I go back and take a quick shower, eat, and go back to work. Where someone else just sits around and relaxes for that hour and you know, just relaxed.
So, or I get up in the morning when my call time is at 6, I will get up at 5 and ride the life cycle for half an hour to 5:30 and then drive to work.
So there's always time, including skiing. You know, I'm a fanatic skier. So you know, I ski at least 30 days each winter. Well, I 've already got in 21 days and I'm in the middle of working. Somehow, I find time to do these things that are important. I take the whole family, and skiing, of course, is always a family event, even if it is right after work. We board the plane and just take off.
So training is just very important. you go to do it everyday. Not much. I'm not saying that for instance, if you wanna just stay fit, it doesn't, you don't need to train 3-4 hours a day. But you go to at least have that one hour, a half hour of weight training and a half hour for cardiovascular training.

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But if you really want some living thing to care about you, you'd better get a pup...

...because the equivalent of a three year old that never grows up is great to care for for 12-17 years. Plus there's that whole clean out the litter box thing that dogs are so good at.
 
craig2112, I dedicate my 666 post to you. Praise be to the devil himself.

You ain't foolin no one though son, you are a tool of epic proportions.

And lets get a little more honest here. You're a virgin right?
 
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