I agree with your conclusion but not your reasoning. With very minimal effort the jazz could have a fine bench. First trade all three picks to move up and draft the best point possible. Then re-sign carrol and bring over tomic. With evans already on the bench that is 8 players. Most teams only have 8 player rotations. I think that is a good group of guys and 3 good bench players. Now we will be incredibly young and we will have to earn every call from the refs. We will get hosed with bad calls and there are going to be many mistakes made by the young guys that will probably keep us far from the playoffs. What the jazz failed to understand last year is that the fans know this and we expect young guys to make mistakes. You still have to play them and see what you really got.
We have NO bench!!!!
- Thread starter Zulu
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If the Core 4 get major minutes I think we do improve - even with a weaker bench. With that being said, it's too early to tell if that will even happen as the offseason just started.
There are a number of questions to be addressed this offseason
-Core 4 and their playing time
-Kanter health
-Favors growth
-Draft Picks
-Trades (Sign & Trade)
-Paul, Al, Mo, Foye
There are a number of questions to be addressed this offseason
-Core 4 and their playing time
-Kanter health
-Favors growth
-Draft Picks
-Trades (Sign & Trade)
-Paul, Al, Mo, Foye
I am completely fine with the Jazz taking a step back as an organization if it means starting fresh and not repeating the last two years.
Wish Mo, Al, Sap and Watson all the best.
Resign Carrol and Tinsley as the 3rd string PG.
Start Hayward, Kanter, Favors and Burks
Get a starting PG in the draft
Go after a starting SF or SG in free agency and adjust Hayward and Burks accordingly
Sit Foye down and explain that he has a role on this team if he is willing to play that role - 3 pt shooter and a bench guy. Not a starter or major minutes player.
Bench: Marvin, Evans, Murphy, Foye, #21 pick , Tinsley, Carroll, back up C (or SF depending on the draft) and Burks if we can find a starting SF/SG. Make Burks the 6th man if that happens.
Retool the assistant coaches.
Let Lindsey actually be the GM and not a KOC puppet
No bench?
not sure what you mean by "no bench" Do you mean that, as of today, we have not filled the roster with FA signings and draft picks? That is indeed true. But for our bench to be weaker than last year you'd need to assume that these pickups would be inferior to who we had last year, which may or may not be true.
Final point: While our bench was good, the difference between bench and starters was small. The bench is not the problem, it is the quality of our starting 5. This is where the improvement is vital.
not sure what you mean by "no bench" Do you mean that, as of today, we have not filled the roster with FA signings and draft picks? That is indeed true. But for our bench to be weaker than last year you'd need to assume that these pickups would be inferior to who we had last year, which may or may not be true.
Final point: While our bench was good, the difference between bench and starters was small. The bench is not the problem, it is the quality of our starting 5. This is where the improvement is vital.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I've been a huge Millsap fan during his years with the Jazz. "Glasseater" was actually in reference to his rebounding prowess. While I agree a Kanter, Favors, Millsap rotation would be great, I don't think it's best for the long-term success of the Jazz. Favors and Kanter are going to cost A LOT to retain. Hayward is also going to get a very nice contract. No, none of those guys will get the MAX like Paul George is demanding, but they will command high salaries. So that leaves one additional slot open in the $8-$10M range (or even a bit higher depending on trade options). Do we want that to go to Millsap coming off the bench? I'd say no. Jazz really need an impact player at one of the wings or at PG. I think they can get one (maybe even two) at the deadline as teams look to dump salaries. Or in the absence if getting a starter or 6th man, maybe the Jazz even take on an overpaid player or two with an extra year left in exchange for an additional 2014 lottery pick. Then those salaries drop off as new contracts are due for Kanter and hopefully, Burks (if he develops). But if Millsap is on board, that hampers the Jazz' ability to assume salaries. Thanks for a great job, Paul. But it's time to go with youth (and cheaper contracts).
Zulu
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Exactly my point if we move our last seasons bench which was good to the starting line up it leaves us with no bench...
Yes I know we will have draft picks and pick up a few Free Agents...
But most people on this board want the FO to start the core 4 or have burks come of the Bench.
That means the players we do pick up need to be inferior to our core 4 or Ty will play them over our young guys...
So in essence we will have no bench next year(hopefully) ala Portland last season, and have no playoff chance!
I understand what your saying that our bench will be the starters but how hard is it to replace the bench. Jeremy evans is already under contract. Re-sign carrol. Bring over tomic. Trade all picks to move up and take the best point. Bench is already 8 deep and the jazz could still sign foye or other free agents. Our bench will be fine. Your really only need 8 to 9 true NBA caliber players. The rest can be developmental guys. We need to play the starters major minutes this year anyway to see what we got.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
^Precisely, Zulu. And that will be a GOOD thing. Granted, the 26-56 record in 2004 season was partly due to injuries, but the Jazz still had Memo, Harpring and Giricek for nearly all the games and AK and Boozer for half the season. But that team had a horrible bench with guys like Snyder, Humphries, Eisley, Collins, Borchardt, etc. They had a "PG by Committee" approach with Arroyo, Lopez and McLeod all getting a number of starts. I really hope to see the Core4 start along with Schroder at PG. The bench will have a little energy with guys like DMC and Evans, but without adding veterans, the youth will struggle. Add in a few injuries...those always happen...and we could see a repeat of 2004-05 record-wise.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Agree on the 8-9. But do you think Evans, Tomic and Carroll will be one of the better benches in the league? Jazz will have one of the youngest starting units and a weaker bench than most teams (barring any significant FA signings). Yes, they'll compete. But I don't see them winning consistently, especially on the road.
Core4 I agree with your conclusion (not making playoffs) just not your reasoning. I think it will be a fun team and a fun bench to watch. I for one want to see the core 4 get major minutes (at least 30) and I want to see carrol and evans get time on the floor. Winning is secondary to learning.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Decent projection. Tenth-worst record is likely 31-33 wins. Sixth is in the 26-27 range. What I think happens is the Jazz struggle early with youth, then likely pick up a couple of very good players at the deadline by using their cap space. They play close to .500 afterwards due to the veterans added and the development of the youngsters (Core4 + draft picks).
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I don't see the disagreement. It will be a FUN team to watch. And I do hope the Core 4 + this year's picks get major minutes. That's why I'm so against strengthening the bench by bringing in vets. We know Ty gets weak in the knees when he sees guys older than 30 take the floor. I see about 30-33 wins. You probably think it will be 35-40. We're not that far apart.
BoomTho will round out the roster nicely.
homeytennis
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Who is BoomTho?
I take a similar view but think the Jazz will finish slightly above .500. Say 44-38.
Zulu
Well-Known Member
This^^
Zulu
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My point exactly... Yes we will have a bench but it won't be enough to get us in the playoffs!!