We HAVE to make a trade.

[Kyoto]

You badly misread his post. Is English your primary language?

Plz tell I about wut post mean cause my englesh too bad

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[Kyoto]

Ricky Rubio for John Wall. John Wall is a better version of Rubio. Wall, Mitchell, and Gobert could be a Big 3 for the future. Utah would have to include 2 Pick’s probably, but Washington gets out of Walls deal and gets Rubio’s expiring.

John wall's contract is one of the worst in the league for an allstar. Reports out of Washington were that he came back out of shape this year. There are red flags about him that would make it a serious gamble

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[LoPo]

I'd love to know what other offers Favs had...maybe like a one year deal in NOLA or LA? The money wouldn't have been as good is my guess. I thought this was the deal, but based on what insiders have said it was quite the opposite... he re-signed in part because we told him we were committed to making the Rudy Favs pairing work.

My biggest issue with the Favors signing was that our front office was at his house right when free agency opened. We prioritized Favors like he was the key to our success. I understand we all love the guy, but it doesn't take that much common sense to realize he isn't the perfect fit next to Gobert.

We didn't test the waters with other free agents. We didn't meet with Bjelica's people or Randle's people or anybody else. We honestly didn't even know what the market was because we threw so much money at Favors so quickly.

 

[One Brow]

Plz tell I about wut post mean cause my englesh too bad

Apparently, so are your internet skills if you couldn't follow the quote links.

Hint: there is a difference between "free agent" and "rookie free agent".

 

[LoPo]

Here is what is depressing:

#1 - most reports say that the trading will start happening after December 15 when most players are available to trade (summer free agent signings and players on the roster before last summer): https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-december-15-3.html

#2 - we can't trade Favors, Exum or Neto until after January 15 because they were re-signed: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/08/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-january-15-3.html

I want all of you to go through that list of players on the January 15 list. Almost every one is an important player on their respective roster. Guys like PG, LeVine, Capella, Gordon, etc. Then you get to our guys and you realize that all 3 are questionable signings and all 3 would be awesome to use in deals starting on December 15.

 

[One Brow]

Then you get to our guys and you realize that all 3 are questionable signings and all 3 would be awesome to use in deals starting on December 15.

They really can't be both questionable signings and awesome trade components, you know.

 

[LoPo]

They really can't be both questionable signings and awesome trade components, you know.

Definitely not awesome, but definitely better than....
Burks
Thabo
Udoh
Bradley
2nd rounders

I think the Favors contract was designed so it could be one of our better trade assets. As it turns out, our best trade partner Washington will likely make a deal before we can even use Favors in a trade.

 

[JimLes]

I think the Favors contract was designed so it could be one of our better trade assets. As it turns out, our best trade partner Washington will likely make a deal before we can even use Favors in a trade.

There is nothing stopping the Jazz talking about or even agreeing a trade with the Bullets right now. It just can't be completed until Jan 15. If our offer is the best one, I don't think Washington say no simply because they can't wait a month for Favors. It's not like they're in a hurry to contend.

 

[LoPo]

There is nothing stopping the Jazz talking about or even agreeing a trade with the Bullets right now. It just can't be completed until Jan 15. If our offer is the best one, I don't think Washington say no simply because they can't wait a month for Favors. It's not like they're in a hurry to contend.

Very good points.

However, they might be in a hurry to tank. If they were to trade Wall and Beal, they would be concentrating on a rebuild. Waiting over 6 weeks for a trade might put them further away from the 1st pick.

I have a feeling that if Washington does start trading, they clean house. If Beal is unhappy with the Front Office, then shedding Wall and others for the sake of a clean start isn't going to make him any happier. Everybody goes, they look to shed salary, and they look to tank.

 

[Kyoto]

You badly misread his post. Is English your primary language?

I would argue that there is better talent in the second round. Yes, there may be better "right now" players in free agency, any idiot knows that, but if you want someone that could turn into a great player, you know, talent, then you have a better chance in the draft.

 

[One Brow]

I would argue that there is better talent in the second round. Yes, there may be better "right now" players in free agency, any idiot knows that, but if you want someone that could turn into a great player, you know, talent, then you have a better chance in the draft.

There may be more potential and better upsides in the second round, as opposed to the known quantities in free agency, but the chance of a starting talent is slim (which is why when on is found, it's a big deal). The overall talent level is greater just among the mid-level exception players.

 

[Kyoto]

There may be more potential and better upsides in the second round, as opposed to the known quantities in free agency, but the chance of a starting talent is slim (which is why when on is found, it's a big deal). The overall talent level is greater just among the mid-level exception players.

I agree.

 

[DasJazz]

Dials up his DL voice “look can we take a player.... yes. But we take those funds and reinvest them in the program. The millers have been so great... we have a trust now. We are looking at some things and always evaluating what we have and need. I mean really we added Dante Exum and AB this year... tony Bradley has improved his balance by 19%... graysons elite hand pads have actually grown. So we are looking to improve from within... and what I mean by that is we are doing yoga and meditation and becoming better people.”

Nailed it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He changed the Kings season.

Given his potential fit on our team I don’t think we can accurately say that he wouldn’t have changed things. He fills many holes on our team.

Bjelica's minutes are down. The main improvement with the Kings is with De'aaron Fox and the fact that they're really trying hard on defense. Bagley's been good for them too.

 

[Luiscar]

Rubio will not move from Jazz, better, accept him.

 

[LoPo]

I'm moving the Suns releasing Canaan conversation over here. So they now have two open roster spots. That can't be a coincidence. Let's just speculate that we are involved.

Maybe they are looking at (remember that Ryan Anderson is an expiring):

Ryan Anderson, Josh Jackson and the Milwaukee pick
for
Rubio, Thabo, Udoh and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb75wa7j

OR

Ryan Anderson and draft considerations from the Suns
for
Burks, Thabo and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9lfno3s

OR

We get Otto Porter and some sort of draft considerations
Suns get Rubio, Thabo and Bradley
Wizards get Ryan Anderson, Udoh and draft considerations from Suns
http://tradenba.com/trades/Hyg_4530X

 

[Pastramiking]

You'd have to add a lot more to get Wall just to match the salary

Works on espn trade machine

 

[radiohegel]

I'm moving the Suns releasing Canaan conversation over here. So they now have two open roster spots. That can't be a coincidence. Let's just speculate that we are involved.

Maybe they are looking at (remember that Ryan Anderson is an expiring):

Ryan Anderson, Josh Jackson and the Milwaukee pick
for
Rubio, Thabo, Udoh and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb75wa7j

OR

Ryan Anderson and draft considerations from the Suns
for
Burks, Thabo and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9lfno3s

OR

We get Otto Porter and some sort of draft considerations
Suns get Rubio, Thabo and Bradley
Wizards get Ryan Anderson, Udoh and draft considerations from Suns
http://tradenba.com/trades/Hyg_4530X

You think these are discussion-worthy, but the idea of signing Middleton is completely unfathomable...

 

[LoPo]

You think these are discussion-worthy, but the idea of signing Middleton is completely unfathomable...

I don't think it's unfathomable; I think it's unrealistic.

I think it's realistic to talk in a "we have to make a trade thread" about potential trades. The Suns are poised for a trade and we could use one. Igor was our coach last year and knows our personnel. They just released their starting PG of 15 of 20 games. We are stuck in the mud and playing terribly.

I'm not going to completely dismiss Middleton, but I'm not going to discuss it because I think we need to talk more realistically since we don't sign big free agents here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm moving the Suns releasing Canaan conversation over here. So they now have two open roster spots. That can't be a coincidence. Let's just speculate that we are involved.

Maybe they are looking at (remember that Ryan Anderson is an expiring):

Ryan Anderson, Josh Jackson and the Milwaukee pick
for
Rubio, Thabo, Udoh and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb75wa7j

OR

Ryan Anderson and draft considerations from the Suns
for
Burks, Thabo and Bradley
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9lfno3s

OR

We get Otto Porter and some sort of draft considerations
Suns get Rubio, Thabo and Bradley
Wizards get Ryan Anderson, Udoh and draft considerations from Suns
http://tradenba.com/trades/Hyg_4530X

Suns aren't making a trade... they are just saving some coin. If Canaan isn't playing they can just release him (his deal was unguaranteed) and they are now at the roster minimum. Everyday they don't have that extra guy Sarver saves a few pennies. I'm 95% sure that is what the release is about.