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We need a backup Center

This is my problem with standing pat:

We cannot treat the backup 5 (or 4, for that matter) like we just need some minimal contribution to not lose us games. This team is trying to be THE BEST in the entire world. It’s hard to be THE BEST if your answer for a rotation player is to just pray they don’t melt when the heat gets turned up.

Bradley has been good, but he has a long way to go to put my concerns at ease, things that are largely out of his control: his agility on defense and his abject lack of big-game experience. We can’t have a pant-*****er out there on the biggest stage.
 
NUMBERICA said:
This is my problem with standing pat:

We cannot treat the backup 5 (or 4, for that matter) like we just need some minimal contribution to not lose us games. This team is trying to be THE BEST in the entire world. It’s hard to be THE BEST if your answer for a rotation player is to just pray they don’t melt when the heat gets turned up.

Bradley has been good, but he has a long way to go to put my concerns at ease, things that are largely out of his control: his agility on defense and his abject lack of big-game experience. We can’t have a pant-*****er out there on the biggest stage.
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The thing is... if he had an athletic 4 next to him he might be able to survive and he gives us some things with rebounding that are good. I think Niang with TB magnifies both of their issues... Niang can't stay in front of people and TB may not be the best rim protector. They both provide something that is pretty useful though... just not an ideal pairing. I think they partly remedied the issue by staggering Niang and Royce's minutes differently.

If I had to pick a good backup center or a big wing 3/4 type I'm not sure what the biggest need would be. True centers slowly get less and less minutes as the playoffs go on. I kind of wish we were working Morgan and Brantley in as bigs to see what they can do and get some reps... those are the type of bigs that get more run in the playoffs because they can rebound and guard guys on the perimeter.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The thing is... if he had an athletic 4 next to him he might be able to survive and he gives us some things with rebounding that are good. I think Niang with TB magnifies both of their issues... Niang can't stay in front of people and TB may not be the best rim protector. They both provide something that is pretty useful though... just not an ideal pairing. I think they partly remedied the issue by staggering Niang and Royce's minutes differently.

If I had to pick a good backup center or a big wing 3/4 type I'm not sure what the biggest need would be. True centers slowly get less and less minutes as the playoffs go on. I kind of wish we were working Morgan and Brantley in as bigs to see what they can do and get some reps... those are the type of bigs that get more run in the playoffs because they can rebound and guard guys on the perimeter.
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I think Vonleh would be kind of a perfect get, all things considered. Keep TB, have them compete for the spot. You can also contextualize it as making a play on improving the depth at the 4 spot if anyone else is concerned that TB just combusts under the direct competition.

I think there are a lot of potential answers out there, but I totally agree that the Jazz should be seeing what they already have in the meantime.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think Vonleh would be kind of a perfect get, all things considered. Keep TB, have them compete for the spot. You can also contextualize it as making a play on improving the depth at the 4 spot if anyone else is concerned that TB just combusts under the direct competition.

I think there are a lot of potential answers out there, but I totally agree that the Jazz should be seeing what they already have in the meantime.
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If we wanted Vonleh we could have him straight up for Mudiay I think.

He might be helpful as a backup 5 against the clips against Montrez and switching out on Lou... Lakers he might be able to help with AD (no one can help all that much). He might be a better fit with Niang in the second unit... I just think we need one more defensive minded big wing... would be ideal if they could shoot, but that is like the hardest thing to find in the NBA.

I think in the playoffs one or both of Niang Bradley may need to be switched out of the rotation... we have Royce and Ingles to help with wing defense, but it'd be great to have one more wing defender.
 
We just need a rental for this season in an ideal world. I don't think that its an impossibility for us to win it all this season with what we have right now. But it's one of those things where you want to maximize your opportunity in whatever way possible. If we have a chance to get an upgrade over Tony for this season then we kinda have too. Then Tony would be waiting in the wings to grab that spot next year. I think one more offseason and he's gonna be much better than we've seen this season.
 
Bradley is a liability come playoff time and a huge gamble when given minutes in the post season, our time is now we need a strong back up 5 hope we can get an upgrade
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we wanted Vonleh we could have him straight up for Mudiay I think.

He might be helpful as a backup 5 against the clips against Montrez and switching out on Lou... Lakers he might be able to help with AD (no one can help all that much). He might be a better fit with Niang in the second unit... I just think we need one more defensive minded big wing... would be ideal if they could shoot, but that is like the hardest thing to find in the NBA.

I think in the playoffs one or both of Niang Bradley may need to be switched out of the rotation... we have Royce and Ingles to help with wing defense, but it'd be great to have one more wing defender.
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He’s short, but this is why I was making noise about Kris Dunn. For all the defense we play, we don’t have anyone who is elite at ball denial. I think Kris would help a lot; switchable 1-3.
 
NAOS said:
He’s short, but this is why I was making noise about Kris Dunn. For all the defense we play, we don’t have anyone who is elite at ball denial. I think Kris would help a lot; switchable 1-3.
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I don't think he's on the table... I think they realized how disruptive he is... will be a FA this summer though.
 
I think Tony Bradley might be okay as a backup center, if he doesn't have Georges Niang playing next to him. Bradley's main responsibility is to rebound and roll to the rim on offense, and he does those things pretty well. The issue I have is that Niang is soft defensively and is a mediocre rebounder. If we had a beast at the 4 playing defense and rebounding, I don't think people would have a problem with Bradley so much.

Obviously, Bradley isn't the rim protector that Gobert is. Nobody is. It's going to be difficult to upgrade the backup 5 spot, however. We're on a tight budget, and other than, say, Jakob Poeltl, I'm not sure who really does it for us.
 
I'm down for a short term upgrade to push for this championship. But I'd rather not give Bradley up to make it happen. He's shown a great deal of potential.

 
I’m putting my money on Bogut

With the way the Jazz are dealing with Ed ... it’s like they are keeping him for insurance till something gets done

He comes in mid to late Feb , after allstar break
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
for a reason
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Of course. We’re not talking about finding a starter. We’re talking about upgrading the status quo. And even if “OMG [stats],” it’s also about what we need out of that spot and how to prioritize that.
 
infection said:
Of course. We’re not talking about finding a starter. We’re talking about upgrading the status quo. And even if “OMG [stats],” it’s also about what we need out of that spot and how to prioritize that.
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They probably worse than Bradley though.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They probably worse than Bradley though.
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if we are to get a "back up center". it's probably gonna be more of us getting a Ed Davis replacement at min once we get rid of his contract, than an "upgrade" over TB. in all likelihood, TB's gonna be our primary backup going forward
 
homeytennis said:
How about Isaac Haas 7'2"290 playing for the Stars?
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Yeah ive been wondering about Haas.
Not sure he has the quickness in todays league to guard anyone. 20 years ago he would have been a first round pick, now big tall slow guys are playing over seas cuz theres no place for them in small ball nba
 
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