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udflyer

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With Howard being back, going 11 deep is too much.

Even 10 deep is too much. I think this is why Hayward specifically is not consistent.

Like a second string QB with a short leash, most do not play well in that atmosphere.

Don't care who it is (I have my opinion), but for the sake of development, I hope Ty takes the rotation to 8, 9 deep at the most.
 
When the schedule gets really compacted, which is real soon, we'll all be glad to have 13 guys who can step on the floor and contribute. And we'll be travelling a lot more too... I would actually like to see Tinsley get some PT too. I liked the Harris/Watson smallball combo to end the T'wolves game too...
 
I agree it will help, when we have injuries, poor performance issues etc...

At least give someone a few games before pulling the leash is what I am saying.

Stick to 8-9 for the current game.

Starting to look like a rec team sharing minutes.....

It actually has a reverse impact. When people know they get minutes somewhat rotated evenly, they do not work as hard.

You work a lot harder knowing that if you make the Top 8/9 rotation, you get serious minutes.

We are not rewarding our better players IMO and not giving them a chance to develop.
 
Wrong... Corbin has played the rotations perfect if anything.
Way too early to go to a 8 or 9 man rotation. 5-8 extra minutes per night add up on back to backs and traveling road games.

CJ minutes limited and Burks more until CJ pulled his head out.
Bell reduced until he pulled his head out.
Harris now reduced and Watson getting more playing time.
Big man rotation pretty good with the young guys getting some time.
 
NotDeadYet said:
When the schedule gets really compacted, which is real soon, we'll all be glad to have 13 guys who can step on the floor and contribute. And we'll be travelling a lot more too... I would actually like to see Tinsley get some PT too. I liked the Harris/Watson smallball combo to end the T'wolves game too...
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I'm fine with giving Tinsley a shot. Give him Harris's minutes and sit Harris for a few. Just don't add to the rotation. I'm for starting Watsom, 2nd unit with Tinsley, sit Harris a few
 
During the playoffs is when that 8-9 man rotation really comes into play. We still have time to establish who that should be. However the deepness of the Jazz bench is a huge plus in this break neck pace of games. Give them time now so that we have a better spread when that 8-9 man rotation is needed.
 
I agree with both udflyer and NDY.
When players only get 5-10 mins per game, it's hard to develop any kind of consistency. It's also nice to have depth with a compacted schedule. If I were Corbin, I'd give players some nights off. Go with a 8-9 man rotation, but on some nights one or two of the wings would get a DNP, and one of the bigs would rest. And why not sit Harris or Watson for a game every now and then?

On the other hand, the team is winning, the Jazz have been pretty healthy and there haven't been complaints re: PT (at least none we've heard about). Maybe the best thing to do is adhere to the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it."
 
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GlassEater said:
I agree with both udflyer and NDY.
When players only get 5-10 mins per game, it's hard to develop and kind of consistency. On the other hand, it's nice to have depth with a compacted schedule. If I were Corbin, I'd give players some nights off. Go with a 8-9 man rotation, but on some nights one or two of the wings would get a DNP, and one of the bigs would rest.

On the other hand, the team is winning, the Jazz have been pretty healthy and there haven't been complaints re: PT (at least none we've heard about). Maybe the best thing to do is adhere to the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it."
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I agree. Stick to the rotation and give some DNP's.

Basically tell the troops, when it is your night, go 120%.

I think you will see positions 6-11 develop much better (Hayward, Burks, Favors, Kanter)
 
If it aint broke, don't fix it. Ty's whooping serious ***, why are we suggesting that he should switch things up?
 
dalamon said:
If it aint broke, don't fix it. Ty's whooping serious ***, why are we suggesting that he should switch things up?
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Because we will not develop players to be where they need to be later in the year.

We are setting up to get pasted in Feb/March if we keep this up.
 
Real good point; Ty is indeed basing PT on performance. CJ's minutes took a major dip whep he was in his chuck'em up funk. He seems to have gotten the message and is playing his most consistant basketball I can recall as of late, and his minutes have gone up. Favors struggled as a starter to begin the season and has been much better off the bench. Harris is a good defender, as is Bell, so I'm against benching him entirely, but would like to see Tinsley in the picture than to increase Watson's minutes. Watson isn't that consistant a defender and tends to lose his magic touch when he plays longer minutes; I remember last season when Harris was hurt... These are mostly young guys; they're gonna have ups and downs, and Ty's gonna adjust their minutes accordingly.
 
I'd like an end to the myth Raja's defense is so important he needs 27 minutes a night (which is what he's played the last 5), but I don't think major rotation decisions should be made. Burks will lose some minutes with Howard's return, Raja and Hayward will continue to start, Ty will play the matchups, and hopefully Raja gets up to 30 plus.
 
billyshelby said:
I'd like an end to the myth Raja's defense is so important he needs 27 minutes a night (which is what he's played the last 5), but I don't think major rotation decisions should be made. Burks will lose some minutes with Howard's return, Raja and Hayward will continue to start, Ty will play the matchups, and hopefully Raja gets up to 30 plus.
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Ah ha, now I get the strategy.
The damn Brits did that to me when they bought my former company. Upped my hours from 45 to 50, then 60 and still wanted more. I was so exhausted after several months of long hours and working to midnight many times that I gave up and negotiated my surrender. Corbin should play Bell 40 mins/per for a solid month. With the compressed schedule, Raja is certain to ask for a buyout.
 
I think we should play the guys that are playing the best. Currently we have a few guys like Raja, CJ, Hayward Jefferson, that don't always show up to play. Why have a set rotation? I say if they are playing hard and well then let them get some burn if not try someone else.
 
I think for the majority of players on this team Corbin is getting the most out of everyone. With the exception being Harris (bad fit in system?) I think fighting for minutes is making this team play much harder than years past and has lead to our winning record. If you cut that out now you will not have players playing at the same level. Plus the players trimmed will be young players due to the fact that our vets are playing well right now and have the longest leash. Corbin is playing things great now. If we make the playoffs then I am sure he will make the needed adjustment.

It is going to be ironic when Corbin wins COY this year after having a HOF coach never win it for Utah. If we make the playoffs I think Corbin wins it this year unless another team does something crazy like Philly being a 2 or 3 seed in the playoffs.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Bull ****. If it was Hayward you would care.
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No. For the sake of the Jazz, a 8/9 rotation will develop a better team. None of us see practice and off hour effort. We do seem games which need to be a factor. But when you are playing 10/11 guys within minutes of each other, I do not think you develop whomever you want. We re on a path of being average.

Use our depth for rest nights, injuries, foul trouble.

I've seen this play out in the college Ranks. I am an alumni from the University of Dayton (hence udflyer name) and our last ball coach (Brian Gregory) did the same thing. He played very deep with the philosophy of wearing teams down and keeping players fresh. We always ended up being average or a tick above average, thankfully he is no longer our coach this year and we are back to normal coach, rotation.

I do like Hayward, but I do not know all the facts to know if he has earned where he is at. If you want my Honest opinion, Hayward is so young and came from such a small town, he needs a situation that is more stable.
Just my opinion as to why he is not flourishing. Maybe he is too insecure, but he needs a coach that says "You are my guy" and sticks with him a bit longer than a Handful of games. It is clear he has the shortest leash, by far, and I would not play well in that scenario either, human nature. There is more to coaching than X & O's. That is why Phil Jackson was unreal, he knew the psychology of the game.

I almost think of Hayward like ALex Smith on the 49ers. When he constantly had a short leash, being nit picked he was horrible as a #1 pick. When JimH became their coach this year, he changed the entire psyche of the team.
He told Alex he was the man and Smith play great all year. Same Player. Not saying Hayward shouldn't be tougher, yadi yadi yadi, but he is who he is (IMO).

As a business man, I would actually trade Hayward now because I think he has a lot more trade value now, before the end of the 3rd year. (which I believe he is now guaranteed through).
Hayward will not flourish in this type of rotation / system IMO. Not saying it is right, but my feel.

I heard KOC last nite on KFAN saying he likes Haywards D a lot but he is Jeckly/Hide on offense and needs to be more aggressive. Yet when he takes an aggressive/early shot, he gets up out of his seat screaming and Hayward is pulled with 6 minutes left in the 3rd (few games ago)


Again, for the Jazz's team sake (no names) DEVELOP your top 8/9 if we want to be champions.
 
As long players are getting enough time to get into rhythm I think its a huge benefit to having a deep rotation. The big negative to a deep rotation is usually the very top couple guys aren't getting enough mins total, and the middle guys aren't getting enough mins to get into a rhythm. This isn't a problem with this team at all this year. Most of us would be ok with Sap and Paul getting a couple less minutes so that Kanter and Favors can play a little more. Our most rotation guys like Howard, Watson, Howard, and Favors are pretty much instantly ready when they get into a game.

The only change I'd really like to see with the rotation is giving Kanter and Favors more time to start the 4th and bringing Paul and Jefferson in just a little later to keep them fresher at the end of the game. Especially Jefferson.
 
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