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A new thread was needed for a wake up call to all the kool-aid glassed homers.

The 8 seed ain't happening. Gobert isn't that great. Mitchell is an inefficient chucker. Rubio can't shoot. Ingles is just a role player. Hood is what he is which isn't anything remotely special. Favors is washed up. And Hayward was really ****ing good and we miss him. It's okay to admit it. He was that important to our success.

Oh well. At least I have the Eagles.
 
Yep, that was downright Corbin-like.

Jazz are not nearly as bad as they were last night; but they're not that good either.

I said it in August and I'll say it now - 35-38 wins is the absolute ceiling for this team - and that's sprinkled with some optimism. Jazz just don't have the offensive talent to make up for the loss of Hayward and Hill.

And as far as Rubio is concerned - love to say it but I told you so. Nice kid who can do nice things on the court now and again but he has no clue how to play winning basketball.

Favors looks like he's 37. No clue what happened to him.

Burks looks mentally shot.

Hood's a third option.

Ingles is a role player and cult hero - not a starter.

If Mitchell is the real thing (and I think he is) and The Jazz get lucky and pick up another legit scorer via the draft or trade then The Jazz might get lucky and have a quick one year re-set. But this team, this year, is going nowhere.
 
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I don't care how, but the Jazz to figure out how to be one bucket per quarter better than the other team. Play faster? Nope - you have a good center and need to have him get back on defense so hell no, slow down the pace to ensure that. Better shooting? Yes, play a boring but ruthlessly efficient style because it helps Gobert set up on defense. Find the player with touch and keep feeding them. Favors has great touch within 15 feet, decent midrange, and has show some promise further out - Feed him. Get Joe Ingles the ball on set shots. Rubio is reliable from the middle of the floor - unfortunately that is the only place he is reliable. Feed him the ball when he cuts to the middle of the floor. The other guys need to step it up. We will win or lose on the basis on their play.
 
The Jazz are stacked with players who one night can score 15 or more points and the next shoot 1/11 or 3/19. A bunch of streaky shooters and no one capable of putting the team on their shoulders night in and night out like Hayward did.
I'm surprised Synder gave the green light and the keys to Mitchell this early - especially if he thought this is a playoff team. The kid is forcing the offense and looks really bad at times. Saying that, who do the Jazz count on for scoring? No one and that is why Mitchell has the keys. Our offense goes on some of the worst shooting runs I've ever seen from a Jazz team. We either need to make some moves and shake things up, or build through the draft around Mitchell if we really think he's the real deal - terrifying gamble.
 
candrew said:
Yep, that was downright Corbin-like.

Jazz are not nearly as bad as they were last night; but they're not that good either.

I said it in August and I'll say it now - 35-38 wins is the absolute ceiling for this team - and that's sprinkled with some optimism. Jazz just don't have the offensive talent to make up for the loss of Hayward and Hill.

And as far as Rubio is concerned - love to say it but I told you so. Nice kid who can do nice things on the court now and again but he has no clue how to play winning basketball.

Favors looks like he's 37. No clue what happened to him.

Burks looks mentally shot.

Hood's a third option.

Ingles is a role player and cult hero - not a starter.

If Mitchell is the real thing (and I think he is) and The Jazz get lucky and pick up another legit scorer via the draft or trade then The Jazz might get lucky and have a quick one year re-set. But this team, this year, is going nowhere.
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Good post.

When was the last time we shot 30% for a game? Mitchell was 3-21 for 14.3% FG. A lot of his were in and out but he had some terrible misses too. At least Sefolosha came to play. But that was a miserable performance. Beyond the missed shots we looked so unsure and tentative. A total junkshow. Quin might need to take some of the blame. They looked tired.
 
I think Snyder is secretly tanking the eff out of this B... he wants Doncic... it's all part of the plan.
 
We are average, but we have good pieces. I just want to break all of them down:

Gobert - elite, natural center but must be surrounded by athleticism and shooting.

Favors - solid big man who neither shines or supports Gobert correctly in our system. He does him and us no good as currently constructed.

Udoh - great bench big. Plays like Gobert when Gobert sits.

Bradley - project. Let him develop.

Jerekbo - bench PF. Solid player, spark plug. Not great for starting.

Joe Johnson - stretch 4 but old. If he can get to 2016 form, we can make playoffs.

Thabo - role player, but great all around game. Can do it all. Should be our starting PF.

Ingles - role player, borderline starter. Sometimes a flame thrower. Great locker room guy.

Hood - starter but 3rd scoring option. Inconsistent. Unreliable.

Mitchell - work in progress but our future in terms of relevance depends on his development. Just needs to play.

O'Neal - #12. But at this rate, give him a try. Why not? We dont know what we have.

Burks - I wish he was on an expiring deal. Guy has just lost all confidence and does nothing really well consistently.

Exum - read what I wrote for Mitchell. Our future relevance depends on what he and Mitchell can become.

Neto - below average back up PG. Its too bad the guy is not 6'5". But he's not...

Rubio - an above average PG who defends well, passes pretty well and is an inconsistent shooter.

Overall, I label them as follows:

Keepers - Gobert, Exum, Thabo, Mitchell, Bradley, Udoh, Rubio, Ingles, O'Neal

TBD (maybe trade soon or let walk at end of year) - Hood, Jerekbo, Neto, JoeJ

Look for trade right now - Favors and Burks. Both guys have potential but they aren't reaching that here.

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I am starting to come to this realization that we just don't have anyone that is going to step up their game this year. I think it may have been Dante but we will need to wait another year, again. Mitchell is going to have a learning year but he can't be expected to jump right in and consistently lead us in scoring.

I don't know what options there are for us. I think we have as good a GM situation as there is in the NBA and if there were deals to be made to improve, we would have made those moves.

I am regretting renewing my season tickets this season. This is my 5th year. But the games are just brutal. I took my 3 grandkids last night and we didn't have much to get excited about during the game. We were quiet most of the game.
 
candrew said:
Yep, that was downright Corbin-like.

Jazz are not nearly as bad as they were last night; but they're not that good either.

I said it in August and I'll say it now - 35-38 wins is the absolute ceiling for this team - and that's sprinkled with some optimism. Jazz just don't have the offensive talent to make up for the loss of Hayward and Hill.

And as far as Rubio is concerned - love to say it but I told you so. Nice kid who can do nice things on the court now and again but he has no clue how to play winning basketball.

Favors looks like he's 37. No clue what happened to him.

Burks looks mentally shot.

Hood's a third option.

Ingles is a role player and cult hero - not a starter.

If Mitchell is the real thing (and I think he is) and The Jazz get lucky and pick up another legit scorer via the draft or trade then The Jazz might get lucky and have a quick one year re-set. But this team, this year, is going nowhere.
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Agreed with all but the Hood part. He's more like a 4th option.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yeah, against a tough schedule, we started 7-8. We then proceeded to win a ton. Our schedule is a ****ing joke now and we're losing.
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The Jazz have lost two games they were expected to win and won one they were expected to lose according to preseason projections. They are currently on a 44 win pace.

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The only game worse than last nights (in recent memory) was when the Clippers bench beat our starters.

No doubt the players are embarrassed after last night.
 
This team is just suffering without Hayward-- and Hood hasn't stepped up (and I'm starting to doubt he ever will).

Our most potent weapon on offence is the Rubio/Gobert pick-and-roll-- and we don't have deadly-enough of shooters to punish teams whenever they're picking Rudy up early in the roll.

I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. Even if Hood starts scoring at an insane clip, will he ever be the passer that Hayward was? Probably not.

Our bench has improved from last year-- and our PG is an improvement from last year too IMO (did George Hill have a single 30 point game?).

With that said, the loss of Hayward has really gutted this team-- and apart from Mitchell morphing into a fringe all-star it really seems like this is gonna be a ~46 win team. The West has improved too much-- look at how NOLAs been doing.

Still think we make the playoffs, but these have been some very ugly losses.
 
Problem in our offence we are getting tons of good looks from perimeter but we are just not making them. And I do have an issue with amount of 3s we are taking. To be like Rockets or GSW we need shooters and we do not have them. So why we are even trying 35+ 3's a game? We should look into involving Rudy more ( 6-8 FG attempts for him is too low!) and getting plays to get easier shots near the basket. Unless somehow we start connecting on those long shots at better % we will keep losing to teams like Phily or Suns. Quin is smart dude, I have trust in him to figure it out and tweak it to our strength eventually.
 
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