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What about this:

Cavs get Favors and Burks
Pacers get Shumpert
Jazz get Frye, Al Jefferson and Cedi Osman

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v3jmtp

Cavs do it to play Favors at center which would work well in their offense. He would get plenty of time with Tristan and Love. Burks isnt that much worse that Shumpert. Frye and Shumpert are role players but Favors could make an impact.

Pacers get a much needed wing defender in Shumpert

We get to dump Burks' salary because Frye and Jefferson are expirings. And the Osman kid might not be that bad.


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MVP said:
Problem in our offence we are getting tons of good looks from perimeter but we are just not making them. And I do have an issue with amount of 3s we are taking. To be like Rockets or GSW we need shooters and we do not have them. So why we are even trying 35+ 3's a game? We should look into involving Rudy more ( 6-8 FG attempts for him is too low!) and getting plays to get easier shots near the basket. Unless somehow we start connecting on those long shots at better % we will keep losing to teams like Phily or Suns. Quin is smart dude, I have trust in him to figure it out and tweak it to our strength eventually.
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THIS^^^^^

They get open looks but they cannot hit an open 3 to save their lives. I just don't get it. Lock yourselves in the !@#$#@$ gym for a few hours a day launching 3s!!!
 
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dalamon said:
This team is just suffering without Hayward-- and Hood hasn't stepped up (and I'm starting to doubt he ever will).

Our most potent weapon on offence is the Rubio/Gobert pick-and-roll-- and we don't have deadly-enough of shooters to punish teams whenever they're picking Rudy up early in the roll.

I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. Even if Hood starts scoring at an insane clip, will he ever be the passer that Hayward was? Probably not.

Our bench has improved from last year-- and our PG is an improvement from last year too IMO (did George Hill have a single 30 point game?).

With that said, the loss of Hayward has really gutted this team-- and apart from Mitchell morphing into a fringe all-star it really seems like this is gonna be a ~46 win team. The West has improved too much-- look at how NOLAs been doing.

Still think we make the playoffs, but these have been some very ugly losses.
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46 wins? Rofl.

We were basically a 49 win team last year. We were gifted those last two wins.

This is a 36 win team. At best. I'm hoping we shut Gobert down, suck, and do the tank right. Suck it for Doncic!
 
LoPo said:
What about this:

Cavs get Favors and Burks
Pacers get Shumpert
Jazz get Frye, Al Jefferson and Cedi Osman

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v3jmtp

Cavs do it to play Favors at center which would work well in their offense. He would get plenty of time with Tristan and Love. Burks isnt that much worse that Shumpert. Frye and Shumpert are role players but Favors could make an impact.

Pacers get a much needed wing defender in Shumpert

We get to dump Burks' salary because Frye and Jefferson are expirings. And the Osman kid might not be that bad.


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Throw us a 2nd and I'm in. Why not. **** it.
 
str8line said:
Spoken like a man who didn't see last nights game. Which is odd since you did.
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I mean, you can be glass half full or glass half empty.

The Jazz shot terribly last night and had a lot of communication break downs on D, but still posted a great defensive game, kept TOs extremely low, got a good amount of offensive rebounds and got to the FT line a bunch.

The Jazz are starting to do the things they lacked to start the year that lost them a few games. If they take those habits and combine them with just mediocre shooting, they are back to playing high level basketball.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, you can be glass half full or glass half empty.

The Jazz shot terribly last night and had a lot of communication break downs on D, but still posted a great defensive game, kept TOs extremely low, got a good amount of offensive rebounds and got to the FT line a bunch.

The Jazz are starting to do the things they lacked to start the year that lost them a few games. If they take those habits and combine them with just mediocre shooting, they are back to playing high level basketball.

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High level?

Rofl.
 
Hood drew 10 FTAs last game. He still passed up layups that would gave resulted in easy points, more FTAs, or at worst getting his shot blocked out of bounds, but progress is progress. Throw Hood in some Mikan drill work post practice for a hour a day.

He even did a rare 1 foot layup where he moved towards the rim instead of fading away or going straight up/down.

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We're 5-6. Our next eight are a joke. 4-4 does nothing. So does 5-3. We need to at least go 6-2 to pull to 11-8 with a tough slate to follow.

But even that likely won't be good enough to keep our head above water for long.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hood drew 10 FTAs last game. He still passed up layups that would gave resulted in easy points...
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That one play Hood was virtually all alone driving under the basket but there was someone within 2-3 feet of him and he still wouldn't go forcefully to the hoop. He curled around the baseline and passed out.

Frustrating.
 
It really comes down to Rod and Faves. Mitchell has been a nice addition but it's extremely rare for a winning team to ever rely on a rookie.

I think it relies on them because Gobert can't create his own shot, and although he is a great roll man, he is tagged instantly cause Favors isn't a threat right now and every team is giving Rubio a jumper over a Gobert roll 10 times out of 10.


I'm on the optimistic side because I think Hood and Favors can get going. Favors can be one of the better PNR bigs in the league, and (I think) Rodney can be one of the better PNR scorers in the league.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
46 wins? Rofl.

We were basically a 49 win team last year. We were gifted those last two wins.

This is a 36 win team. At best. I'm hoping we shut Gobert down, suck, and do the tank right. Suck it for Doncic!
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Last year's team wasn't gifted ****, hunny. With modest injuries (instead of league-leading) we could've won high-50s.

Thanks, though.
 
kabenac said:
The only game worse than last nights (in recent memory) was when the Clippers bench beat our starters.

No doubt the players are embarrassed after last night.
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Snyder should be embarrassed too. Time to make some adjustments on the offensive end or change the offensive system, even the Sixers offense looks much better than ours despite they played without Embiid and Fultz.

So the last season slow pace offense wasn't designed only for Hayward?
 
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We still suck.


By the way, I'm betting the hell out of us the next few, only because we're too well-coached and have too capable of defenders for this to linger too long against the scrubs we play over the next six.
 
I wouldn't say we suck, but we definitely are mediocre. My fear is the realization will keep creeping in but it will be too late to do anything by the time everybody is on the same page. I never liked the direction DL took this summer and all my fears are being realized right now. The problem is that I don't see an easy way out. There was a way, but we didn't take it and it's now too late. People won't like it, but I think we are screwed (doomed to the treadmill) for the foreseeable future. I can't see this team winning more games than we did last year for the whole duration of Gobert's contract.
 
stitches said:
I wouldn't say we suck, but we definitely are mediocre. My fear is the realization will keep creeping in but it will be too late to do anything by the time everybody is on the same page. I never liked the direction DL took this summer and all my fears are being realized right now. The problem is that I don't see an easy way out. There was a way, but we didn't take it and it's now too late. People won't like it, but I think we are screwed (doomed to the treadmill) for the foreseeable future. I can't see this team winning more games than we did last year for the whole duration of Gobert's contract.
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Agreed.
 
stitches said:
I wouldn't say we suck, but we definitely are mediocre. My fear is the realization will keep creeping in but it will be too late to do anything by the time everybody is on the same page. I never liked the direction DL took this summer and all my fears are being realized right now. The problem is that I don't see an easy way out. There was a way, but we didn't take it and it's now too late. People won't like it, but I think we are screwed (doomed to the treadmill) for the foreseeable future. I can't see this team winning more games than we did last year for the whole duration of Gobert's contract.
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Agreed.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, you can be glass half full or glass half empty.

The Jazz shot terribly last night and had a lot of communication break downs on D, but still posted a great defensive game, kept TOs extremely low, got a good amount of offensive rebounds and got to the FT line a bunch.

The Jazz are starting to do the things they lacked to start the year that lost them a few games. If they take those habits and combine them with just mediocre shooting, they are back to playing high level basketball.

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TO's were low because Philly wasn't tenacious on D, maybe since they almost always had a double-digit lead. Same with offensive REB. We looked extremely rough on both offense and defense. Probably just tentative or tired more than anything but really discombobulated and lacking confidence/energy. I got a pretty big red flag out of this one. I don't trust that Rubio will ever be consistent enough of a shooter so does he switch his focus to being a distributor? But then he's distributing to whom? Favors had 2 REB last night and when he runs you can see his knee isn't right. Rodney will eventually get back if he doesn't get injured first but it looks like Burks is done. Mitchell's shooting last night concerns me as much as I hate to say it.
 
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