We suck

[karl malone]

Saying we suck is going overboard imo. But we do have a somewhat patchworked roster with a clear deficiency on 1 side of the ball. I don't doubt we could still sneak into the playoffs but should we?

Playoff experience is beneficial & the franchise seems to prioritize remaining stable/competitive(ish) but we need to give DL the best odds of finding that 3rd piece imo. We should be gauging the trade value of everyone outside of Gobert/DM.

 

[Jinglin Joe]

Saying we suck is going overboard imo. But we do have a somewhat patchworked roster with a clear deficiency on 1 side of the ball. I don't doubt we could still sneak into the playoffs but should we?

Playoff experience is beneficial & the franchise seems to prioritize remaining stable/competitive(ish) but we need to give DL the best odds of finding that 3rd piece imo. We should be gauging the trade value of everyone outside of Gobert/DM.

Can u just come out of retirement bro. I haven't received any mail in so long.

 

[Deleted member 95]

I said it elsewhere and I will say it here, we are a team filled with 3rd options. With no 1st or 2nd options we are destined for a mediocre or worse season. It just is what it is. We can enjoy the rise of Mitchell as he figures things out and I hope to **** that somehow Rudy pulls his head out and starts dominating again. He has been a step slow all season. What is wrong there? I don't get it, it is like the fire is gone.

Secret ninja Gobert Synder Lindsey tank

 

[Et tu Brute]

Hood drew 10 FTAs last game. He still passed up layups that would gave resulted in easy points, more FTAs, or at worst getting his shot blocked out of bounds, but progress is progress. Throw Hood in some Mikan drill work post practice for a hour a day.

He even did a rare 1 foot layup where he moved towards the rim instead of fading away or going straight up/down.

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From my memory this was mainly because at the end of the third and into the fourth the Jazz got into the bonus early. I can only clearly remember 1 or 2 of his trips being because he was fouled shooting..

Could be wrong.

 

[Miggs]

Has anyone ever thought about the fact that very often suck and blow mean the same thing?

I wish I could think about it more often. Maybe someday.

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[The Midnight]

Seriously, I think we just lack legit young talent. Losing Hayward for nothing was brutal. Granted, we have Gobert and Mitchell, but looking around the league, that isn't enough anymore.


Looking teams that started the rebuild the same time as us we have:


T'Wolves: Wiggins, Towns, Butler
76ers: Embiid, Simmons, Fultz
Bucks: Giannis, Jabari, Middleton, Brogdon
Knicks: Porzingis, Ntilikina, Hardaway Jnr
Chicago: Lavine, Markkanen, Dunn
Pacers: Turner, Oladipo, Sabonis
Lakers: Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc.


I could go on and on... there are a lot of teams now with a lot of young promising talent.


Losing Hayward for nothing has hurt big time and we're left without much talent on our team.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

We could have used a player like Al Jefferson last night. Someone comfortable going ISO, posting up, backing a dude down into the lane and drawing a foul or getting easy buckets. Favors hasn't developed into that I don't know why - he has the body for it but not the ball handling. Joe Johnson is the one player we have that can do this comfortably Royce O'Neale, can he? Udoh lets see it, give him the ball more on offense.

It's fundamental old school basketball ala Karl Malone.

Jeff Withey even had this ability and we're missing it on this team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

From my memory this was mainly because at the end of the third and into the fourth the Jazz got into the bonus early. I can only clearly remember 1 or 2 of his trips being because he was fouled shooting..

Could be wrong.

No, you are right. I think 4 of his FTA attempt came off-ball on holds and a reach while stationary with the ball. 4 came on shooting and 2 came on a drive while Jazz were in the bonus.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Seriously, I think we just lack legit young talent. Losing Hayward for nothing was brutal. Granted, we have Gobert and Mitchell, but looking around the league, that isn't enough anymore.


Looking teams that started the rebuild the same time as us we have:


T'Wolves: Wiggins, Towns, Butler
76ers: Embiid, Simmons, Fultz
Bucks: Giannis, Jabari, Middleton, Brogdon
Knicks: Porzingis, Ntilikina, Hardaway Jnr
Chicago: Lavine, Markkanen, Dunn
Pacers: Turner, Oladipo, Sabonis
Lakers: Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc.


I could go on and on... there are a lot of teams now with a lot of young promising talent.


Losing Hayward for nothing has hurt big time and we're left without much talent on our team.

Where do you rank Gobert on the list of those players? Where do you rank Mitchell on the list of those players and his potential? Where do you rank Exum on that list? Which one of those teams would you trade Gobert, Mitchell and Exum for?

 

[The Midnight]

Where do you rank Gobert on the list of those players? Where do you rank Mitchell on the list of those players and his potential? Where do you rank Exum on that list? Which one of those teams would you trade Gobert, Mitchell and Exum for?

Well I think all those teams at least have 3 legit young talents on them. We have Gobert and Mitchell, that's a good start, but I think I'd like to see at least 1 more offensively gifted young player to take the load off of Mitchell.


We could have gotten something for Hayward but it's too late now. I dunno, maybe we need to tank 1 more year to grab 1 more young offensive weapon going forward. That's what I would do anyway.

 

[mellow]

Looking teams that started the rebuild the same time as us we have:

Which rebuild? I swear the Jazz are on rebuild number 3 or 4 since 2010. They missed too many times in the draft.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Zach Randolph is the type of player we could have used last night.

I'd consider taking his contract and Frank Mason off their hands. Dog me all you want on Mason but he's not getting much playing time behind their stable of young guards & has the potential to be a 3pt contest winner. Tough little dude who can get to the foul line and shoot 90% from stripe.

 

[yamers]

ud be surprised how much we miss George Hill.

I know he's having a terrible season in sac town thus far, but I think Ghill was a snyder kind of player. Like snyder took a good PG and turned him GREAT.

 

[enchilada_style]

ud be surprised how much we miss George Hill.

I know he's having a terrible season in sac town thus far, but I think Ghill was a snyder kind of player. Like snyder took a good PG and turned him GREAT.

We miss last years version of GHill but maybe he's struggling this year because he has lost a step. I've only watched a couple of his games but in those two games he looked nothing like the guy we had last year. Maybe it is just a system thing.

 

[Jinglin Joe]

Seriously, I think we just lack legit young talent. Losing Hayward for nothing was brutal. Granted, we have Gobert and Mitchell, but looking around the league, that isn't enough anymore.


Looking teams that started the rebuild the same time as us we have:


T'Wolves: Wiggins, Towns, Butler
76ers: Embiid, Simmons, Fultz
Bucks: Giannis, Jabari, Middleton, Brogdon
Knicks: Porzingis, Ntilikina, Hardaway Jnr
Chicago: Lavine, Markkanen, Dunn
Pacers: Turner, Oladipo, Sabonis
Lakers: Ball, Ingram, Randle, etc.


I could go on and on... there are a lot of teams now with a lot of young promising talent.


Losing Hayward for nothing has hurt big time and we're left without much talent on our team.

Even more seriously, the lack of young talent is just a symptom of the larger issue of poor asset management. The Jazz have had pretty good players like Kanter/Hayward but haven't maximized their value. OKC got Carmelo friggin Anthony for Kanter.

Remember Trey Burke? Ya no one else does either. He's a g league superstar tho lmao.

You can even go back to Boozer and Deron.
What have the Jazz got left to show for these all-star caliber talents now?

As usual, management is the problem.
Speaking of, how the heck did you become a moderator bro.
Hot dam Hottt Nickkkkkk.

 

[yamers]

We miss last years version of GHill but maybe he's struggling this year because he has lost a step. I've only watched a couple of his games but in those two games he looked nothing like the guy we had last year. Maybe it is just a system thing.

I think Snyder's system makes PG's exceed expectations. As much as I think rubio blows he's still having a career year thus far.

 

[The Midnight]

Which rebuild? I swear the Jazz are on rebuild number 3 or 4 since 2010. They missed too many times in the draft.

Haha.. I like your blunt take.


I really do think going 'All In' for Hayward really hurt us bad. Had we traded him last year for a lottery pick, and tank last year, we could have picked up someone like Markkanen in the draft.


Gobert
Markkanen
Hood
Mitchell
Exum


I'd be a heck of a lot more optimistic about that team than the team we currently have now.

 

[Gobzilla]

I'm at the point where I'm willing to trade anyone except for Rudy and Mitchell. Everyone else is expendable, and yes, even Jingles, as much as I love him, if we package him to get a #1 option, so be it. But the Jazz need offense from somewhere and there is no one on the team that can provide that right now.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Well I think all those teams at least have 3 legit young talents on them. We have Gobert and Mitchell, that's a good start, but I think I'd like to see at least 1 more offensively gifted young player to take the load off of Mitchell.


We could have gotten something for Hayward but it's too late now. I dunno, maybe we need to tank 1 more year to grab 1 more young offensive weapon going forward. That's what I would do anyway.

We cant tank with a healthy Gobert, also a rookie doesnt fit with him. If you want to go that route you might as well trade Gobert. But we also dont need to get a high pick to get another good player. We didnt tank last year and got Mitchell. We got Gobert at the end of the draft.

I also think Exum is a young talent, so that makes three for me. Its a bummer he is out but that talented 21 year old is still on our team.

It is a bummer to loose Hayward for nothing. We cant have that happen again. But you also have to take a chance on retaining your talent you took years to develop that sounds like he might stay. If you trade talent every time it gets good then you might as well give up. I wish our front office had read the situation better, Hayward deceived them.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm at the point where I'm willing to trade anyone except for Rudy and Mitchell. Everyone else is expendable, and yes, even Jingles, as much as I love him, if we package him to get a #1 option, so be it. But the Jazz need offense from somewhere and there is no one on the team that can provide that right now.

Im willing to trade anyone if it brings in a better player. I am pretty sure our FO is willing to do that as well. Gobert and Mitchell better net a good player but there are players I would trade them for.