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We've been having a steady stream of storms in Utah, while California has been getting much more, a record rainfall year. But that's nothing......

Italy has record snowfall, and even northern African nations have had snow. Some avalanches in the Apennines have taken lives, and demolished a four-star hotel, at relatively low elevation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/19/dea...el-hit-by-avalanche-after-quakes-reports.html

https://watchers.news/2017/01/18/earthquake-heavy-snow-italy-january-18-2017/

https://watchers.news/2017/01/20/eastern-spain-snow-january-2017/


We have an "El Nino" event in the making, but with a distribution of warm sea surface temps further north than the usual, right next to a colder sea surface band across the Pacific, which is generating a steady stream of storms heading towards us.

In Poland, record cold temps.... -30......well, southern Europe and north Africa, too. The Jet Stream has got a pattern.. ... a "standing wave" situation that leads to protracted storminess in some areas.

Some believe this is global warming. Generating extremes we're not used to. . ..

But the fact is we don't even study deep sea temps, and have little data on salt gradients, which generate mixing currents. cold water upwelling regions. Next to....oh a thousand miles from, let's say, but close enough for the thermal gradient to create storms....areas of warm surface. Of note also are "thermal waves" than transmit through the Ocenas at depth.

So anyway, the experts are talking about a set of conditions that has historically created a sequence of three "el nino" years back to back, and it's just starting, but even now we're getting a lot of storms across the southern tier of states like we see in El Nino years.

The sunspot cycle is at a nadir, but suddenly scientists are talking about how sometimes low sunspot activity generatges more IR heat coming to Earth. . . .yah, whaddya know. Science is scrambling to explain stuff they didn't dream of.

But the good thing is, with all this CO2 craziness, we've got a lot of data-gathering equipment out there and we could really learn something.
 
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I thought the follow-up storm systems were called "la nina" and tended to follow an "el nino" year. Might have to google it.

But I have been universally praised in California since my moving here brought the much-needed rain.

You are all welcome.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I thought the follow-up storm systems were called "la nina" and tended to follow an "el nino" year. Might have to google it.

But I have been universally praised in California since my moving here brought the much-needed rain.

You are all welcome.
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So, what...... are you living in Stockton now?

La Nina and El Nino are a duo of offsetting weather patterns that usually follow one another. 1964-7 and 1997-1999....I don't know why they are talking about 1982-4..... are three-year El Nino historical events where La Nina was silent, and that is what the experts are seeing coming up..... but even this year has sure done a lot of "El Nino" weather on us without the required subtropical Pacific warm ocean surface pattern, the upwelling cold water there has just not been very strong. Last year was classed as an El Nino event, but failed to generate the normal El Nino weather pattern, I think because other areas of the Pacific were not "in sync". Jeff Masters, one of the best meteorologists I know, is all agog about AGW since his outfit was bought out by AGW interests, I just realize there are important factors the scientists haven't even considered in getting to that conclusion, along with the political imperatives about funding the UN with carbon tax..... something "Science" really can not endorse and still be "Science".

The strongest variance in our surface temps is inherent in the Sun, the secong strongest that we could measure if we wish, but don't, is the energy variations coming from internal nuclear sources within the earth..... you know, the thing that generates those plutons of extremely hot rock that actually rise towards the surface and produce volcanism and earthquakes.... . The third important variable is interstellar environment as we rotate within the Milky Way and amid other space stuff like thin "clouds' of hydrogen and dust. The rotation of the Galaxy is thought by some to produce a 65-million year cycle but with some shorter term variantions. No Scientist has identified the fundamental reason for ice ages, really. A 100,000 year cycle that produces 90,000 +/- 5k of cold temps about ten degrees colder than the interglacial warm spells which we've been enjoying since the dawn of human history, within which it is thought there is a series of 3 degree "waves" comparable to our last 150 years of "AGW" which have happened anyway without our Carbon emissions. The CO2 greenhouse effect is real, but it is not a fundamental driver. In geological time we've had from the outset an atmosphere of Carbon Dioxide, and until we got photosynthetic organisms we had little oxygen The atmosphere of CO2 was mostly chemically deposited as carbonate strata over geological time until the last of the carboniferous epochs.

So anyway, I'm debating the "causative" correlations blaming CO2 a little, but regardless CO2 is no excuse for a global tax or a global village.

There is a lot we don't understand, and it's not necessary to theologically justify globalism. We need to get a different brand of internationalism that is less elitist, and less fascist..... you know, with elected global leadership, elected representatives from local areas within nations, and a limited schema for governance that people can control. Global fascism has hijacked weather science to make it serve the cause, and it is no longer "Science" when it serves in that way.

But research and data is a fundamental good thing when we can get it, if it is unbiased by political grant givers demanding a "correct" or "useful" result. If it's not objective it's not "Science".
 
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Living in Redlands now, working in Moreno Valley. It's nice.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Living in Redlands now, working in Moreno Valley. It's nice.
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The Port of Stockton, or perhaps the railroad yards where ever they are near "the Bay" would figure for a logistics job. I didn't realize how much trucking originates in Sparks/Fernley until you confessed your job. But Moreno Valley? Isn't that where the whole "Valley Girl" thing started? I thought that's nothing but a bedroom town. Oh, I-10 and I guess a railroad too. OK, just like Sparks.

And yes, there've been good rains too, since you arrived. Thank you.

But with mudslides floating cars into the ocean, you might consider taking a break.
 
babe said:
The Port of Stockton, or perhaps the railroad yards where ever they are near "the Bay" would figure for a logistics job. I didn't realize how much trucking originates in Sparks/Fernley until you confessed your job. But Moreno Valley? Isn't that where the whole "Valley Girl" thing started? I thought that's nothing but a bedroom town. Oh, I-10 and I guess a railroad too. OK, just like Sparks.

And yes, there've been good rains too, since you arrived. Thank you.

But with mudslides floating cars into the ocean, you might consider taking a break.
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Haha, no. That would be San Fernando Valley. The types of people that would talk about Moreno Valley/Inland Empire like it's another country......a third world one.
 
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Yup, also known as the porn capital of the world.
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OK. I'm old enough to remember the schtick, but thought it was just LA at the time. I don't know anything about porn, but since I go through there sometimes I'm guessing it's right next to those big moviemaking places oh say from Pasadena to Van Nuys. But Moreno Valley has March Air Base and a lot of nice neighborhoods in the hills. I think that's where those Valley Girls live now.
 
babe said:
But Moreno Valley has March Air Base and a lot of nice neighborhoods in the hills. I think that's where those Valley Girls live now.
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I have a Masters Degree in Valley Girl Migration Studies from USC actually. Well worth the $150,000 I spent getting it. I think there definitely has been some valley girl movement from the assumed origin area. My thesis though, that I was able to defend quite easily, was about how the Armenians in Little Armenia chased them off by naturally being even more annoying than valley girls and appropriated their culture...see:Kardashian sisters. So now you've got some real deal remnants in the West SFV still digging in fighting the fakes, but I think a lot them ended up in Moorpark, Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, etc. just a bit to the West of the SFV or in the OC beach towns rather than slumming it in Moreno Valley. Married to some trucker in Moreno Valley? As If.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I have a Masters Degree in Valley Girl Migration Studies from USC actually. Well worth the $150,000 I spent getting it. I think there definitely has been some valley girl movement from the assumed origin area. My thesis though, that I was able to defend quite easily, was about how the Armenians in Little Armenia chased them off by naturally being even more annoying than valley girls and appropriated their culture...see:Kardashian sisters. So now you've got some real deal remnants in the West SFV still digging in fighting the fakes, but I think a lot them ended up in Moorpark, Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, etc. just a bit to the West of the SFV or in the OC beach towns rather than slumming it in Moreno Valley. Married to some trucker in Moreno Valley? As If.
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I can clearly see the need to abandon all pretense of knowledge to those who care to know such things. I'll reserve my rebellion to politics and climate science.

I know the Beach Cities draw upon Hollywood and other upwardly-mobile types, the castaways generally speaking from real affluence of sufficient magnitgude to actually own tropical islets with private jet service.
 
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Gag me with a spoon.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I thought the follow-up storm systems were called "la nina" and tended to follow an "el nino" year. Might have to google it.

But I have been universally praised in California since my moving here brought the much-needed rain.

You are all welcome.
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It's not universal praise

Welcome! California has great weather
 
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It's not universal praise

Welcome! California has great weather
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I guess I did bring too much rain. They shut down the San Timoteo Canyon Road today. I had to take the freeway to work. It sucked.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I guess I did bring too much rain. They shut down the San Timoteo Canyon Road today. I had to take the freeway to work. It sucked.
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Thanks for listening and giving consideration to us. The forecast now is for a few days of good weather.

My last trip to CA, going from Barstow to Bakersfield over the haunted Tehachapi Pass, we barely evaded a boulder in our lane. It was at least a foot high and two feet long, with a scattering of rocks around it. It was dense fog and raining too. They don't close roads without reason.
 
babe said:
Thanks for listening and giving consideration to us. The forecast now is for a few days of good weather.

My last trip to CA, going from Barstow to Bakersfield over the haunted Tehachapi Pass, we barely evaded a boulder in our lane. It was at least a foot high and two feet long, with a scattering of rocks around it. It was dense fog and raining too. They don't close roads without reason.
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There are definitely parts of San Timoteo Canyon like that. When they shut it down I get it.
 
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