Welcome back to Salt Lake - Mo Williams

[NAOS]

And what team is going to take Calderon for free? They're giving up something.

I'd say there is a decent chance that nobody will take him.

Whatever. The point is that the Raps aren't giving him and a first without also demanding something back.

And, in anticipation of future comments: I'd rather have Mo alone than Calderon and a second-round pick or Caldron + a first (if we also had to give up a player not named Jefferson since that first would be highly protected and not guaranteed for sure)

 

[billyshelby]

They specifically don't want anything back. They can't take on a nickel more salary if they're going to keep Nash's offer at 12 per. But they'd like to avoid amnestying Calderon. It's not at all crazy they'd trade a protected 1st to entice someone into taking him off their hands instead of losing the 10 million. They were actively shopping the 8th pick after all.

 

[Stifle Tower]

They specifically don't want anything back. They can't take on a nickel more salary if they're going to keep Nash's offer at 12 per. But they'd like to avoid amnestying Calderon. It's not at all crazy they'd trade a protected 1st to entice someone into taking him off their hands instead of losing the 10 million. They were actively shopping the 8th pick after all.

They'd LIKE to avoid amnestying Calderon. Sure, and Utah would like to avoid amnestying Bell. But they'll do it if necessary. It's a hell of a lot better than giving up a lottery pick. If they're really hard up for cash, they could trade their pick next season for a later pick + $3M cash.

But it's all a moot point. Nash ain't going to Toronto. You think he wants to finish his career for a loser with no hope of making the playoffs? It's not like he's going "home." He's not from Toronto.

 

[NAOS]

Yeah, Billy, your point is well-made in the abstract. But, I'm seriously willing to bet a fortune that there is no way in hell they'd give a guaranteed first.

Plus, Calderon is a traffic cone on defense.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'd rather have Calderon than Mo. Mo is a better shooter, and by default might be a better defender but he's anything but good at that. But Calderon is a better point guard and that matters much more to me. Add in what should be - again - a sweetener, and to me that's a no-brainer.

A moot point straight from hell, I know, but you can thank Billy for that.

 

[bjunior]

I'd rather have Calderon than Mo. Mo is a better shooter, and by default might be a better defender but he's anything but good at that. But Calderon is a better point guard and that matters much more to me. Add in what should be - again - a sweetener, and to me that's a no-brainer.

A moot point straight from hell, I know, but you can thank Billy for that.

Calderon is not an answer for our pg spot.

Mo is not an answer for our pg spot.

But Mo can be our "Jason Terry" guy. He has that attitude not only for making those 3's, but to energize and impact the game. You always want that type of guy in your team and that's the strength of Mo W.

 

[The Midnight]

I'm pretty sure Mo was the point in Cleveland. Maybe I'm remembering poorly or forgot as you put it. Possibly playing with LeBruh makes every short guy a SG.

I'm feeling about 80% sure that Watson and Harris have played their last game for Utah. Good luck to those guys. I am totally sure that the roster as it stands will not be the one trotted out for the 2012 season. Jeff's out, Harris is out, Bell is out, CJ is out, some wing is in, some JAG big is in, and hopefully somebody's PG prospect is in. KOC always signs some guy that makes everyone's head itch too.

Uh... sorry I forgot that you work closely with KOC and therefore knows everything that goes on in there.

C'mon man, I don't think KOC himself knows that Harris and Watson are 80% gone. It all depends on what offers they can get, etc, etc. It's contingent on so many factors how can you be 80% sure on anything in this league?

IMO unless we get a really good offer (and I don't think we will), then KOC isn't going to trade Jefferson & Harris (except may be at the trade deadline an expiring contracts for quality player + draft picks).

 

[Revolution 9]

Why on earth would anyone lust after Calderon?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why on earth would anyone lust after Calderon?

The grass is always greener.

 

[InGameStrategy]

I'm not convinced that it is particularly easy to unload and/or trade Harris, no matter how much or little the Jazz want to.

 

[The Midnight]

I'm not convinced that it is particularly easy to unload and/or trade Harris, no matter how much or little the Jazz want to.

Yes - exactly my point earlier. Unless:

- another team wants to extend him long term (or sign him up long term as FA later on); or
- another team wants his expiring contract (will only likely get done before the trade deadline).

I think KOC is fully prepared for this and therefore intend to start Harris at PG and Williams at SG.

 

[NAOS]

I'm not convinced that it is particularly easy to unload and/or trade Harris, no matter how much or little the Jazz want to.

Well, with Calderon being dangled the way he is, the market for Harris gets worse.

 

[NAOS]

They specifically don't want anything back. They can't take on a nickel more salary if they're going to keep Nash's offer at 12 per. But they'd like to avoid amnestying Calderon. It's not at all crazy they'd trade a protected 1st to entice someone into taking him off their hands instead of losing the 10 million. They were actively shopping the 8th pick after all.

My point was that if you wanted a guaranteed first to go along with him, then they would want SOMETHING ELSE. Swapping picks further in the future... or whatever. It's not worth ironing out because I'm pretty damn certain they aren't giving picks and Calderon.

 

[Brown Notes]

Uh... sorry I forgot that you work closely with KOC and therefore knows everything that goes on in there.

C'mon man, I don't think KOC himself knows that Harris and Watson are 80% gone. It all depends on what offers they can get, etc, etc. It's contingent on so many factors how can you be 80% sure on anything in this league?

IMO unless we get a really good offer (and I don't think we will), then KOC isn't going to trade Jefferson & Harris (except may be at the trade deadline an expiring contracts for quality player + draft picks).

Of course I don't have inside information, just confident speculation. I was really really sure the Browns would draft Trent Richardson too but I don't know anyone in Cleveland. The % number maybe is a dumb addition, just expressing my level of surety in that opinion.

In this case it's apparent to me that the team is ready for another shift. Harris, Watson and Jefferson need to go in order put a roster together that fits with the young players. Those guys did their jobs which was keep the team somewhat respectable while transitioning to where we are. If Utah is going to be putting 20 mil into short guards I think you could swap Harris for Calderon straight up and have a much better fit. Portland's offer to Hibbs smacks of desperation so when that rug is pulled out from under them the Blazers could be a destination for Al. Watson implied that if he was marginalized he'd want out.

Who knows for sure what will really happen, right? But it definitely smells like the winds of change are coming.

 

[The Midnight]

Of course I don't have inside information, just pretty confident speculation. I was really really sure the Browns would draft Trent Richardson too but I don't know anyone in Cleveland.

Um... what else are you sure about?

Next week's lottery? May be you'd like to share that? Split it 50/50? You tell me the numbers, I'll go & buy.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why on earth would anyone lust after Calderon?

"lust"? Nice.

Anyway, to answer your question, he's a pure point guard that can shoot. That's exactly what the Jazz need, and despite having FOUR guys that technically play the position, the Jazz don't have a single pure point guard that can shoot.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

"lust"? Nice.

Anyway, to answer your question, he's a pure point guard that can shoot. That's exactly what the Jazz need, and despite having FOUR guys that technically play the position, the Jazz don't have a single pure point guard that can shoot.

And yet all four guys are more valuable than Calderon at their contract price. Funny how that works.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't really seen enough of Calderon (never had any desire to watch the Raptors) to have a solid opinion of him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And yet all four guys are more valuable than Calderon at their contract price. Funny how that works.

Based on the fact that one has been shopped for a year to no avail, one was picked up for nothing, and the other two are washed up vets being paid (relative) peanuts. Dang, dawg, I got mad burned.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I haven't really seen enough of Calderon (never had any desire to watch the Raptors) to have a solid opinion of him.

The worst starting PG in the NBA defensively. The thought of him and Jefferson defending the pick and roll is nothing short of nausea-inducing. Im sick of all offense/no defense players, though it could be said that defense in other positions is more than the 1.