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Stoked said:
Is this the medias fault? Of course not, but they have their role to play in all this.
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Do we have a substantially different media environment from, for example, european countries with substantially lower gun violence? Did anybody say "the media" had ZERO role?
 
NAOS said:
Do we have a substantially different media environment from, for example, european countries with substantially lower gun violence? Did anybody say "the media" had ZERO role?
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And nobody laid all the blame at the medias feet either...
 
besides, in spite of Trout's opinion, I really don't think media attention is much of a factor for most of these mass killers - I don't think their motivation for doing it is to get their 15 minutes of fame

plus, mass killings are only a small percentage of U.S. homicides so they shouldn't be the proxy for what is taking place cross the board
 
moevillini said:
besides, in spite of Trout's opinion, I really don't think media attention is much of a factor for most of these mass killers - I don't think their motivation for doing it is to get their 15 minutes of fame

plus, mass killings are only a small percentage of U.S. homicides so they shouldn't be the proxy for what is taking place cross the board
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Agreed
 
I think the attention plays a part for some of them. But you are more than correct in that most homicides, even gun homicides, are not these mass shootings.

But they grab the headlines.
 
gandalfe said:
So, Trout, simple question: How many people would he have shot with a gun?
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Yup, still have no idea what you're asking, so I'll just say "all of them are belong to him."

NAOS said:
when you run out of insightful things to say, you can always run to that bastion of generalizing hogwash: blame "the media."
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Well, one thing is an inanimate piece of metal, while the other is the beautification, celebration, and all-out worship of the former. Keep telling yourself that guns are to blame, you friggin' moron.

moevillini said:
besides, in spite of Trout's opinion, I really don't think media attention is much of a factor for most of these mass killers - I don't think their motivation for doing it is to get their 15 minutes of fame

plus, mass killings are only a small percentage of U.S. homicides so they shouldn't be the proxy for what is taking place cross the board
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How many of these mass shootings at schools and theaters would have not happened if Colimbine hadn't happened, or Sandy Hook? Impossible question to answer, but it's fairly logical and likely to think that NONE is the correct answer. Law inforcement uses the term "copy cat" for a reason.
 
TroutBum said:
Well, one thing is an inanimate piece of metal, while the other is the beautification, celebration, and all-out worship of the former. Keep telling yourself that guns are to blame, you friggin' moron.
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Can you please provide a link where I stated things so plainly/simply? thanks.
 
TroutBum said:
Yup, still have no idea what you're asking, so I'll just say "all of them are belong to him."



Well, one thing is an inanimate piece of metal, while the other is the beautification, celebration, and all-out worship of the former. Keep telling yourself that guns are to blame, you friggin' moron.


How many of these mass shootings at schools and theaters would have not happened if Colimbine hadn't happened, or Sandy Hook? Impossible question to answer, but it's fairly logical and likely to think that NONE is the correct answer. Law inforcement uses the term "copy cat" for a reason.
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying they're more likely to occur at schools because of media attention?


There have also been plenty of mass shootings at other places like hospitals, office buildings, churches etc. I think it's more a case of the demographics of who's doing the shooting and what places they have associations to.
 
Judge Judy thinks you should be required to take a psychiatric test before being allowed to own guns....


Agree? Disagree?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLblXF9-w0c
 
I think mental records should be better linked to back ground checks but no to a psych test to purchase a firearm.
 
Stoked said:
What is your solution then?
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The first thing is to get people to realize that there is a problem. In 2013, the most recent year for which I can easily find statistics, there were 33,169 deaths from firearms in the US (excluding deaths by "legal intervention," IE, cop). Almost 2/3 of those, 21,175, were suicides. The MINORITY were the attention-grabbing mass killings like what happened in Oregon.

Honestly, the first part of a solution would be to get Wayne LaPierre out. He has led the NRA in a disastrous and radical direction since the early 90's, although they have been pretty rough since the mid-late 70's.

As far as safety issues, common sense solutions: A "loaded" flag, so that you know if there is a round chambered. Chamber locks, trigger locks, smart guns. There are many ways to make guns safer AND THE NRA OPPOSES THEM.

Yes, education, but the mandatory education which has been proposed upthread assumes that, A) Everyone wants to learn (and wants their kids to learn) about guns, and B) we live in a fully armed society where we need to learn about guns.

Yes, waiting periods. Especially for handguns, honestly. Again, these are the weapons most commonly used in suicides and "crimes of passion," and, generally, if you can get people to wait 72 hours, they won't go thru with it.

Maybe if the NRA and the gun fondlers would agree to reasonable steps, there wouldn't be need for unreasonable ones.
 
gandalfe said:
The first thing is to get people to realize that there is a problem. In 2013, the most recent year for which I can easily find statistics, there were 33,169 deaths from firearms in the US (excluding deaths by "legal intervention," IE, cop). Almost 2/3 of those, 21,175, were suicides. The MINORITY were the attention-grabbing mass killings like what happened in Oregon.

Honestly, the first part of a solution would be to get Wayne LaPierre out. He has led the NRA in a disastrous and radical direction since the early 90's, although they have been pretty rough since the mid-late 70's.

As far as safety issues, common sense solutions: A "loaded" flag, so that you know if there is a round chambered. Chamber locks, trigger locks, smart guns. There are many ways to make guns safer AND THE NRA OPPOSES THEM.

Yes, education, but the mandatory education which has been proposed upthread assumes that, A) Everyone wants to learn (and wants their kids to learn) about guns, and B) we live in a fully armed society where we need to learn about guns.

Yes, waiting periods. Especially for handguns, honestly. Again, these are the weapons most commonly used in suicides and "crimes of passion," and, generally, if you can get people to wait 72 hours, they won't go thru with it.

Maybe if the NRA and the gun fondlers would agree to reasonable steps, there wouldn't be need for unreasonable ones.
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Well nodoby, not even the NRA, denies there is a problem. THey may disagree on what that problem is but everyone agress. Step 1 is complete.

As for the NRA, they are terrible for gun rights. They are attemting to shut down all dialogue on gun rights v. gun control and it is saddening to infuriating.

I don't think everyone should have a waiting period. But there are some that should. Like those that have been admitted for mental health problems. 72 hours works as it allows time for a more complete search and documentation on if a gun should be sold.

What do you mean by a "loaded flag"? Like a literally flag that the gun is loaded? To me that seems un-necesarily cumbersome and dangerous.

Yes there are step that can, and should, be taken to combat this problem. Some directly involve guns and some do not.
 
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