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Wells Report concluded that the Patriots violated rules and Tom Brady was aware

What was the score in the game where the patriots got caught? Wasn't it like 45-7 or something?
Didn't the patriots have like 200+ yards rushing?

I could be wrong but I think it was something like that.
 
What was the score in the game where the patriots got caught? Wasn't it like 45-7 or something?
Didn't the patriots have like 200+ yards rushing?

I could be wrong but I think it was something like that.
Nobody is arguing it effected the outcome of that game. But they were cheating and they were doing it before that game. It was an issue in that game because they were being accused of doing it prior to the game.
 
Nobody is arguing it effected the outcome of that game. But they were cheating and they were doing it before that game. It was an issue in that game because they were being accused of doing it prior to the game.

really? You sound so confident. Can I have a link?
 
All these stories you come up with and the woes to the patriots because they are hated. Is it possible it's a bigger deal because they were caught twice cheating in the playoffs? And that this story is huge partially because the Patriots themselves and their fans won't accept it and move on.
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That salary cap story the broncos got punished. They also admitted what they did. They broke a technicality in the rule and did not cover it up. The fans did not whine for weeks about the trivial nature of it and complain repeatedly about it. The fans and franchise of the Broncos accepted it and moved on.
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Von Miller cheated. He got caught and punished. His suspension by the way was longer than pretty boy Brady's was.
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I hate the Patriots. But I hate 3 or 4 teams more than them. I just find their fans and their attitude about we are the Patriots and everybody picks on us to be silly. They are not being picked on because they are the Patriots or hated. They are being punished for their arrogance and cover up and the repeated cheating.

Listening to you talk about "Patriots fans" as one homogeneous group is giving me the LOLs. Anyone with firsthand experience of Boston-area sports fans will tell you that there are a lot of differences. Amongst them is a batch of rabid homers, the likes of which I've never seen equaled. Amongst them are also some of the smartest sports fans I've ever met. So, yeah, ^this^ post is full ignorance. You can't group them together like that.

As a Pats fan I'm simply tired of the way that cheating in the NFL is framed. Everybody wants to make the cheater a total abomination rather than looking honestly at the integrity of NFL as a whole. The Patriots scandals are often served up in such a sensational way that it's like leading a witness to a conclusion that the whole dynasty is tainted... standing out aside from the rest of a mostly pure league. It's *********. Your version of this was in repeating how exceptionally difficult the patriots organization and fans are -- versus the class and sophistication of the Broncos, etc.

And, the Broncos organization + their fans didn't handle things any more honorably or gracefully. Some of them did.... because they, too, can't be generalized so easily. Others were just has homeristic and full of denial as some of the patriots fans.

Anyway, brough, keep spinning dem yarns.
 
Listening to you talk about "Patriots fans" as one homogeneous group is giving me the LOLs. Anyone with firsthand experience of Boston-area sports fans will tell you that there are a lot of differences. Amongst them is a batch of rabid homers, the likes of which I've never seen equaled. Amongst them are also some of the smartest sports fans I've ever met. So, yeah, ^this^ post is full ignorance. You can't group them together like that.

As a Pats fan I'm simply tired of the way that cheating in the NFL is framed. Everybody wants to make the cheater a total abomination rather than looking honestly at the integrity of NFL as a whole. The Patriots scandals are often served up in such a sensational way that it's like leading a witness to a conclusion that the whole dynasty is tainted... standing out aside from the rest of a mostly pure league. It's *********. Your version of this was in repeating how exceptionally difficult the patriots organization and fans are -- versus the class and sophistication of the Broncos, etc.

And, the Broncos organization + their fans didn't handle things any more honorably or gracefully. Some of them did.... because they, too, can't be generalized so easily. Others were just has homeristic and full of denial as some of the patriots fans.

Anyway, brough, keep spinning dem yarns.
Okay so I should have said most some fans. All fan bases have their reasonable fans. But the majority of posts by Pats fans defending this situation and the guy I quoted in that post is an example of this are whining about the unfairness of it all. This punishment is far from unfair. It's harsh, but when a league starts considering the integrity of the game they usually are. My problem with this is the premise by lots of Patriot fans that they are being treated unfairly because they are the Patriots. That is simply not true.
 
Okay so I should have said most some fans. All fan bases have their reasonable fans. But the majority of posts by Pats fans defending this situation and the guy I quoted in that post is an example of this are whining about the unfairness of it all. This punishment is far from unfair. It's harsh, but when a league starts considering the integrity of the game they usually are. My problem with this is the premise by lots of Patriot fans that they are being treated unfairly because they are the Patriots. That is simply not true.

you're right, that's a ridiculous accusation for those people to make.
 
All these stories you come up with and the woes to the patriots because they are hated. Is it possible it's a bigger deal because they were caught twice cheating in the playoffs? And that this story is huge partially because the Patriots themselves and their fans won't accept it and move on.
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That salary cap story the broncos got punished. They also admitted what they did. They broke a technicality in the rule and did not cover it up. The fans did not whine for weeks about the trivial nature of it and complain repeatedly about it. The fans and franchise of the Broncos accepted it and moved on.
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Von Miller cheated. He got caught and punished. His suspension by the way was longer than pretty boy Brady's was.
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I hate the Patriots. But I hate 3 or 4 teams more than them. I just find their fans and their attitude about we are the Patriots and everybody picks on us to be silly. They are not being picked on because they are the Patriots or hated. They are being punished for their arrogance and cover up and the repeated cheating.

spygate - everybody was doing it. don't deny it. filming signal in front of 80k people? big deal. cowboys were doing it. steelers were doing it. it's a damn signal from the sideline. pats paid for it because BB was stubborn and challenged the NFL. pats admitted and moved on. absolutely not a big deal because let's face it. it wasn't a big deal!

but hate amplified because pats went on and gave the middle finger to other fans and the nfl by going 18-0.

deflategate - we don't really know what happened. there is no 'smoking gun'. there is no hard evidence because we don't know if pats submitted 13.5 psi or 12.5 psi ball. IT WASN'T RECORDED.


and of course miller's punishment should be longer. not only he was juiced up, but he also tried to cheat the drug test. that's why he got 6 games not 4 games. and juiced up vs psi? are you kidding me?


pats are hated because they win. they have the golden boy. they have the best coach. brady went to 6 SB appearances in 13 healthy seasons. he was 2 plays away from winning 6SBs. nobody gave a crap about salarycapgate because they found out later when elway was long gone. and there was no social media yet. and elway was viewed as people's hero, a story book ending. if elway looked like a pretty boy who dated a super model? he would've been hated too.

i think this hate on pats is nauseating if you ask me. no matter what people say, IMO pats are great organization. and brady? IMO he is the GOAT.

anyway, i'm not even a pats fan. i grew up in a state where there was no football team. go figure.
 
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Nobody is arguing it effected the outcome of that game. But they were cheating and they were doing it before that game. It was an issue in that game because they were being accused of doing it prior to the game.


another false accusation. pats were never accused of deflating the football until that afcc game. and this was the first time ever in this history that footballs were measured at the half time. The fact that the most damning evidence – the texts – explicitly say the psi for the first Jet game 10/16/2014 was 16psi, so clearly the desired pressure isn’t as important as people make it out to be.

seriously Patriots lost draft picks, 1 mil, loses star QB for 4 games for something other teams have done this year already. lol
something really smells fishy, and fans can't see that.
 
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MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings played their coldest home game in 38 years on Sunday, when they beat the Carolina Panthers in 12-degree temperatures at TCF Bank Stadium.

As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules.



Nobody cared or got punished


imagine pats did that and got caught on camera like they did. 'cheaters never prosper!! die!!' would've happened.
 
and according to haters,

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I have not read through this thread, but I would be surprised if there was much sympathy for the Patriots and Brady. Because I am from New England, no surprise it's my team and no surprise if I look for dissenting opinions of the Wells Report. I'm going to leave this article here just to show most of the arguments criticizing the quality of that report in one place. What bothers me the most is the seemingly selective use of the psi-checking ref's memory. As a Patriot's fan and fan of Brady, an all around sad state of affairs to me. I think he'd still have 4 rings regardless, but it's too easy to hate and this stain will be permanent. Even winning a 5th would not change public opinion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...2c8d2c-ffd4-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

"That the league has never particularly enforced standards is evident in a hilarious section in which the Wells report eats its own tail. According to Wells, in a game between the Patriots and Jets, it was discovered that the refs had inflated the balls to 16 PSI. Brady got upset when he found them hard to handle. That’s how uneven ball inflation in the NFL is and how weak the Wells report is. The only firm evidence that Brady ever had a conversation with anyone about ball pressure comes in this instance, when the ball was wildly over-inflated to 16 PSI — by the league’s own refs.

What’s more, messing with the ball has been treated as a misdemeanor in other cases. In a very cold 2014 game between the Carolina Panthers and Minnesota Vikings, sideline cameras showed some team attendants warming footballs in front of heaters — presumably at the behest of a quarterback. There was no scandal for “tampering.” There was not even an investigation. You know what kind of edict the NFL issued in that case? A reminder. It sent a memo that softening the ball on the sideline by warming it is not allowed.

At a minimum the Wells report is poor work, and the NFL may well have skewed it. Just consider how the report used referee Walt Anderson’s recollections. It accepts Anderson’s account as accurate when it comes to how pressurized the Patriots’ footballs were in pregame. It also accepts Anderson’s account when he said there were two gauges available, one with a logo on it that gave higher readings by almost 0.4.

But when Anderson says he used the gauge that gave the higher PSI measurements, the Wells report suddenly treats Anderson as inaccurate on this point — and no other. For no apparent reason, Wells insists Anderson must have used the other gauge, the one that gave lower readings, which makes the Patriots look guilty.

As opposed to the higher gauge, which would put it in the realm of possibility that the footballs lost pressure by halftime because of cold weather and the Ideal Gas Law.

Once you’ve read this part of the Wells report, the words it so often employs — “more probable than not” and “likely” — begin to take on a pernicious tone.

The NFL created its own mischief here. It wrote a rule that says each team can use a dozen of its own balls and left it to the teams to inflate them, without providing any sort of regulation or consistent enforcement. Now, all of a sudden, what a year ago was the subject of a mere memo has become the subject of a months-long million-dollar game of Gotcha. Why?"
 
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interesting

they are 'uniquely qualified 3rd party'
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/On-the-Wells-report.pdf

When correct tests are performed, the evidence points to a conclusion that is inconsistent with the Wells findings. Our evidence suggests a specific sequence of events. The Wells report conclusions are likely incorrect, and a simple misunderstanding appears to have led the NFL to these incorrect conclusions . . . The fact that the average pressure of the Colts balls was significantly above the prediction of the Ideal Gas Law, while that of the Patriots balls was not, is inconsistent with the findings of the Wells report. Our conclusion that the warming of the balls during halftime is the key factor overlooked in the Wells report is supported by the observation that the readings of the intercepted Patriots football, measured separately from the other Patriots balls, came in almost precisely at the prediction of the law. Under the hypothesis asserted by the Well report, the odds of this Patriots ball matching the Ideal Gas Law prediction were between 1 out of 3 and 1 out of 300. It is therefore unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs.

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/...deflategate.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&referrer=

Our study, written with our colleague Joseph Sullivan, examines the evidence and methodology of the Wells report and concludes that it is deeply flawed. (We have no financial stake in the outcome of Deflategate.)


Our recommendation? When the N.F.L. hears Mr. Brady’s appeal of his suspension later this month, it should proceed with the knowledge that the Wells report is unreliable.


problem with these convincing reports is that nobody cares about it anymore. people already made up their mind. damage is done.
 
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