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If you're up for some Italian and you're out this direction (not sure how many days you're staying), Solo Mio in Sandy on Highland Drive is really good, authentic Italian, made by Italians. And for burgers, you gotta go Crown Burgers (don't forget fry sauce with your fries). There's one right by the arena, and you can park there for the game too. Just get there early.
 
Is Flemings the steakhouse to go to in SLC? I can't bring myself to do the chain Ruth's Chris.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Is Flemings the steakhouse to go to in SLC? I can't bring myself to do the chain Ruth's Chris.
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Unfortunately I think the national chain Flemings is probably the best SLC has. The New Yorker which is part of Market Street grill is pretty good as well but if you are just out for steaks I dont think you can beat Flemings in SLC. Christophers Steak house is pretty good as well maybe second in my opinion. I recently had someone tell me Spencers for steaks and chops is the best steakhouse in SLC but I have never eaten there and it is inside a Hilton.

Although none of those do a Porterhouse which is my favorite cut. But they both do a great bone in Ribeye which is basically just the good part of that cut.
 
Ruby River is great too. Not far from downtown and on the light rail line. Just south of 400 S. on 700 E. Get the prime rib or ribeye and a jacketed baked potato.
 
Bulletproof said:
Liquor laws...

I could spend the rest of the night on this ****.

1) There is no beer anywhere in Utah greater than 4%abv on tap.

2) Micro breweries can sell their own bottled beer that is greater than 4%abv on-site. And they can even refrigerate it.

3) Most restaurants sell bottled beer that is greater than 4%abv.

4) Someone correct me if I'm wrong, you can't order a double cocktail, as in you can't get a double jack and coke. But funny enough, you can order a jack and coke and get a shot of jack as a "side-car" with your jack and coke.

5) You can not have more than two drinks per person at any time (used to be 1). So if you are with a group and you walk up to the bar and order drinks for everyone they will either need to deliver them to each person or you will need to get enough people up to the bar to make it so that there are no more than 2 drinks per person. Same thing with ordering a pitcher of beer. One person cannot order a pitcher, you need at least two people to get a pitcher.

6) You can get pretty much anything at the state run liquor stores. But none of it is refrigerated, and they don't sell anything at all except booze. No soft drinks, no limes, no ice, just alcohol.

7) I mentioned they can't sell you a double...but there's a loophole. Any mixed drink can only have 1oz of the primary hard liquor in it, but they can add other liquor as "flavoring" so locals will order stuff like long island ice teas and at the right kind of place with the right kind of bartender you might get upwards of 4oz of liquor in your drink.
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This sounds like some kind of god awful dystopian hell, the horror!
 
As an admitted non-drinker, I am still a bit flabbergasted that people get so worked up that it is mildly harder in Utah than elsewhere to get ****-faced. Is it really that big a deal? I mean, can you not, albeit with a few hoops, get enough booze to drink yourself literally to death pretty much whenever you want? This is one thing that, of course as a non-drinker, I never understood. I have had friends go on whole rants about the unbelievably strict alcohol laws in Utah and how it shows that Utah is nothing but a theocracy, yet they say nothing about complete "dry" areas in other parts of the country. I find it very weird.
 
LogGrad98 said:
As an admitted non-drinker, I am still a bit flabbergasted that people get so worked up that it is mildly harder in Utah than elsewhere to get ****-faced. Is it really that big a deal? I mean, can you not, albeit with a few hoops, get enough booze to drink yourself literally to death pretty much whenever you want? This is one thing that, of course as a non-drinker, I never understood. I have had friends go on whole rants about the unbelievably strict alcohol laws in Utah and how it shows that Utah is nothing but a theocracy, yet they say nothing about complete "dry" areas in other parts of the country. I find it very weird.
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So weird people don't like unnecessary laws. Crazy world we live in.

Also thanks for the note that if you want to complain about a law in one part of the country you must research worse laws of similar ilk in other parts of the country and complain about them too.
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LogGrad98 said:
As an admitted non-drinker, I am still a bit flabbergasted that people get so worked up that it is mildly harder in Utah than elsewhere to get ****-faced. Is it really that big a deal? I mean, can you not, albeit with a few hoops, get enough booze to drink yourself literally to death pretty much whenever you want? This is one thing that, of course as a non-drinker, I never understood. I have had friends go on whole rants about the unbelievably strict alcohol laws in Utah and how it shows that Utah is nothing but a theocracy, yet they say nothing about complete "dry" areas in other parts of the country. I find it very weird.
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The laws do not prevent anyone from getting **** faced they make it harder to enjoy certain aspects of drinking. I know some people drink just to get **** faced but most do not. Most drink because they enjoy the drinks and the social aspect with them. Laws like only allowing 4% beer on tap prevent good beers that I like to drink from being on tap (which I like the taste of more) from being served in Utah. Small very spread out liquor stores with limited hours make it so it is a nightmare to go to the liquor store. Parking is awful, the lines are long and options tend to be limited. I can still get drunk but I think most people understand the frustration of jumping through hoops, dealing with excessive waits and lines, and having limited options of something you want. Liquor stores in Utah are very profitable yet they keep trying to make them more sparse and limit their hours more. Many good beers are higher than 4% so if you want that you have to endure the awful liquor stores just to buy beer that is warm. Beer sitting warm for long periods of time lowers its taste. Its also a pain to have to plan ahead if I want to have cold beers. Things like the zion curtain force business to waste money and look silly to out of state people. It hurts and limits their ability to make profits. There are lots of other frustrations with the laws but for me none of those are about not being able to get drunk. One of the main problems is that most of the people making laws about booze it Utah have never drank them and do not understand the culture.
 
LogGrad98 said:
As an admitted non-drinker, I am still a bit flabbergasted that people get so worked up that it is mildly harder in Utah than elsewhere to get ****-faced. Is it really that big a deal? I mean, can you not, albeit with a few hoops, get enough booze to drink yourself literally to death pretty much whenever you want? This is one thing that, of course as a non-drinker, I never understood. I have had friends go on whole rants about the unbelievably strict alcohol laws in Utah and how it shows that Utah is nothing but a theocracy, yet they say nothing about complete "dry" areas in other parts of the country. I find it very weird.
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Your post makes it very clear that you consider drinking alcohol nothing but a means of getting **** faced and you don't understand alcohol drinks as a food item.

I don't anymore, but I used to order double jack and coke. I can't get that in Utah. I can get a jack and coke. To you, it seems, you think the complaint is that it takes twice as many drinks to get drunk. That's not it. I don't drink coke normally. I don't like coke. I order a double jack and coke because it tastes better than a jack and coke.

Beer, obviously something I'm into, is not just one thing that you guzzle until you're **** faced. The restriction of 4%abv for beer on tap has many unintended consequences.

It raises the cost of doing business for local microbreweries. Much easier to package beer into a 20 gallon keg than 400 cans and/or bottles. Much easier to ship a truck full of kegs than a truck full of bottles and cans, mostly because you can now fit a few times more stuff on the truck. Much easier for a bar or restaurant to store kegs than bottles and cans. I'm not super concerned about the environmental aspect, but if you use a keg you pour into a reusable glass instead of throwing a bottle away for every beer served. Many people prefer the flavor (it's psychological, but whatever) of draft beer as opposed to beer in a bottle or a can.

It is NOT harder to get **** faced in Utah. The laws don't accomplish anything. They just burden businesses. They just make hosting people from out of state more awkward. I mean a guy comes in, people want the drink they like and they want it the way they want it. So the guy orders the drink he likes, but he's in Utah and now has to be educated on why he can't have his drink the way he wants it.

I don't like it because it's dumb.
 
Bulletproof said:
Your post makes it very clear that you consider drinking alcohol nothing but a means of getting **** faced and you don't understand alcohol drinks as a food item.

I don't anymore, but I used to order double jack and coke. I can't get that in Utah. I can get a jack and coke. To you, it seems, you think the complaint is that it takes twice as many drinks to get drunk. That's not it. I don't drink coke normally. I don't like coke. I order a double jack and coke because it tastes better than a jack and coke.

Beer, obviously something I'm into, is not just one thing that you guzzle until you're **** faced. The restriction of 4%abv for beer on tap has many unintended consequences.

It raises the cost of doing business for local microbreweries. Much easier to package beer into a 20 gallon keg than 400 cans and/or bottles. Much easier to ship a truck full of kegs than a truck full of bottles and cans, mostly because you can now fit a few times more stuff on the truck. Much easier for a bar or restaurant to store kegs than bottles and cans. I'm not super concerned about the environmental aspect, but if you use a keg you pour into a reusable glass instead of throwing a bottle away for every beer served. Many people prefer the flavor (it's psychological, but whatever) of draft beer as opposed to beer in a bottle or a can.

It is NOT harder to get **** faced in Utah. The laws don't accomplish anything. They just burden businesses. They just make hosting people from out of state more awkward. I mean a guy comes in, people want the drink they like and they want it the way they want it. So the guy orders the drink he likes, but he's in Utah and now has to be educated on why he can't have his drink the way he wants it.

I don't like it because it's dumb.
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Do the regular domestic beers cost more in Utah?

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Bulletproof said:
Your post makes it very clear that you consider drinking alcohol nothing but a means of getting **** faced and you don't understand alcohol drinks as a food item.

I don't anymore, but I used to order double jack and coke. I can't get that in Utah. I can get a jack and coke. To you, it seems, you think the complaint is that it takes twice as many drinks to get drunk. That's not it. I don't drink coke normally. I don't like coke. I order a double jack and coke because it tastes better than a jack and coke.

Beer, obviously something I'm into, is not just one thing that you guzzle until you're **** faced. The restriction of 4%abv for beer on tap has many unintended consequences.

It raises the cost of doing business for local microbreweries. Much easier to package beer into a 20 gallon keg than 400 cans and/or bottles. Much easier to ship a truck full of kegs than a truck full of bottles and cans, mostly because you can now fit a few times more stuff on the truck. Much easier for a bar or restaurant to store kegs than bottles and cans. I'm not super concerned about the environmental aspect, but if you use a keg you pour into a reusable glass instead of throwing a bottle away for every beer served. Many people prefer the flavor (it's psychological, but whatever) of draft beer as opposed to beer in a bottle or a can.

It is NOT harder to get **** faced in Utah. The laws don't accomplish anything. They just burden businesses. They just make hosting people from out of state more awkward. I mean a guy comes in, people want the drink they like and they want it the way they want it. So the guy orders the drink he likes, but he's in Utah and now has to be educated on why he can't have his drink the way he wants it.

I don't like it because it's dumb.
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Agreed

If you are a non drinker you should at least consider how the laws impact our culinary options. Relaxing these silly laws will mean more restaurants. It would be good for customers, good for businesses, and good for our workforce.

Also starting to repair our reputation as weird would be great for tourism.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do the regular domestic beers cost more in Utah?

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No, not really.

It's sort of a pet peeve of mine but I know a lot of people who drive to Evanston Wyoming to buy beer and 1, they think it's a lot cheaper there but in my experience, in the boarder liquor stores, it's not cheaper at all, 2, they think they are getting significantly stronger beer, when they are usually only getting between 0.2% - 1% more abv. The problem there is that relatively few people are aware that 3.2% in Utah is an alcohol by WEIGHT measurement, but alcohol content is pretty universally measured in alcohol by VOLUME. So what they think is 3.2% beer is actually 4%abv. Bud Light in Evanston is 4.2%abv, Corona is 4.6%abv (that's a very popular one people get there) Budweiser is 5%abv.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The laws do not prevent anyone from getting **** faced they make it harder to enjoy certain aspects of drinking. I know some people drink just to get **** faced but most do not. Most drink because they enjoy the drinks and the social aspect with them. Laws like only allowing 4% beer on tap prevent good beers that I like to drink from being on tap (which I like the taste of more) from being served in Utah. Small very spread out liquor stores with limited hours make it so it is a nightmare to go to the liquor store. Parking is awful, the lines are long and options tend to be limited. I can still get drunk but I think most people understand the frustration of jumping through hoops, dealing with excessive waits and lines, and having limited options of something you want. Liquor stores in Utah are very profitable yet they keep trying to make them more sparse and limit their hours more. Many good beers are higher than 4% so if you want that you have to endure the awful liquor stores just to buy beer that is warm. Beer sitting warm for long periods of time lowers its taste. Its also a pain to have to plan ahead if I want to have cold beers. Things like the zion curtain force business to waste money and look silly to out of state people. It hurts and limits their ability to make profits. There are lots of other frustrations with the laws but for me none of those are about not being able to get drunk. One of the main problems is that most of the people making laws about booze it Utah have never drank them and do not understand the culture.
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Bulletproof said:
Your post makes it very clear that you consider drinking alcohol nothing but a means of getting **** faced and you don't understand alcohol drinks as a food item.

I don't anymore, but I used to order double jack and coke. I can't get that in Utah. I can get a jack and coke. To you, it seems, you think the complaint is that it takes twice as many drinks to get drunk. That's not it. I don't drink coke normally. I don't like coke. I order a double jack and coke because it tastes better than a jack and coke.

Beer, obviously something I'm into, is not just one thing that you guzzle until you're **** faced. The restriction of 4%abv for beer on tap has many unintended consequences.

It raises the cost of doing business for local microbreweries. Much easier to package beer into a 20 gallon keg than 400 cans and/or bottles. Much easier to ship a truck full of kegs than a truck full of bottles and cans, mostly because you can now fit a few times more stuff on the truck. Much easier for a bar or restaurant to store kegs than bottles and cans. I'm not super concerned about the environmental aspect, but if you use a keg you pour into a reusable glass instead of throwing a bottle away for every beer served. Many people prefer the flavor (it's psychological, but whatever) of draft beer as opposed to beer in a bottle or a can.

It is NOT harder to get **** faced in Utah. The laws don't accomplish anything. They just burden businesses. They just make hosting people from out of state more awkward. I mean a guy comes in, people want the drink they like and they want it the way they want it. So the guy orders the drink he likes, but he's in Utah and now has to be educated on why he can't have his drink the way he wants it.

I don't like it because it's dumb.
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Thank you both for the well-thought-out responses. I made it very clear it was a perception from a non-drinker and you both bring up very good points.

I will say though that I know very few people who drink purely for the taste or social aspect (which is fully possible, to be social, without alcohol at all) and not to get buzzed if not full-on drunk. I get that last part too but most of the complaining I get from friends out-of-state centers more around the getting buzzed/drunk aspect. Remember I live out of state and when the conversation comes to Utah it invariably comes down to availability of booze. Maybe everyone in the warehousing industry are just boozers. :)
 
This feels like trying to explain to a space alien that doesn't eat food or have taste buds why I like my steak medium rare. His question always comes back to why I want that when I can better meet my nutritional needs with an injection of specially formulated human nuti-pack.
 
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