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Probably the biggest reason the Jazz won't go after Deron is that he is not worth the contract he is going to get. He's seeking the max (again) and will get it from someone. The Jazz aren't going to pay that much for him. I would love for him to come back, but not at that price.

And then there are the million other reasons it won't happen.
 
I still think we have no idea about why Jerry left exactly, and Deron's involvement in it is hearsay and speculative. It makes no sense at all that we would then trade him if we got rid of our hall of fame coach for this very player. It's amazing how easily a rumor becomes fact.

It's not a rumor. It's fact. It's pretty widely accepted nationally by those in the know. Also, not that you have any reason to believe me, but an immediate family member of mine heard it from Jerry's mouth himself that Deron was the reason for his leaving, and if he had known they were going to trade Deron he would have stayed. Jerry also told him (this was several months ago) that we was very interested in coaching again. Looks like that was true.
 
I agree with Green. We would be a lot better with Deron and I would love to have him back. The hate that some of you show for him, and your willingness to downplay his abilities is bordering on mental retardation. Kevin O connor would be fool not to sign him if he had the chance. Its amazing how soon people forget how good Deron is. Its either that or your fandom is seriously clouding your judgment.

It sounds like to me that there are a lot but hurt people around here. You all foolishly believe Jerry left because of him. How do you know Jerry didnt leave because of Kevin O Connor? Hmmm? You dont know, do you?

The truth is Deron was great on and off the floor while he was here. I dont see any of you bashing Stockton because of his grumpyness. You all need to get over whatever is making you all soft like girls.

Although I agree with Green on attempting to bring him back, I dont think Deron would come back. I think those hopes were dashed when the ESA unfairly and disrespectfully booed his *** out of Utah when he returned to Utah for the first time. Its sad that our fans would do that. Deron has said nothing but good things about Utah and its fans, and he brought much entertainment to our lives during his time here. Deron elevated our city, team, and COACH with his hard work. He deserved a lot better from us.
 
I agree with Green. We would be a lot better with Deron and I would love to have him back. The hate that some of you show for him, and your willingness to downplay his abilities is bordering on mental retardation. Kevin O connor would be fool not to sign him if he had the chance. Its amazing how soon people forget how good Deron is. Its either that or your fandom is seriously clouding your judgment.

It sounds like to me that there are a lot but hurt people around here. You all foolishly believe Jerry left because of him. How do you know Jerry didnt leave because of Kevin O Connor? Hmmm? You dont know, do you?

The truth is Deron was great on and off the floor while he was here. I dont see any of you bashing Stockton because of his grumpyness. You all need to get over whatever is making you all soft like girls.

Although I agree with Green on attempting to bring him back, I dont think Deron would come back. I think those hopes were dashed when the ESA unfairly and disrespectfully booed his *** out of Utah when he returned to Utah for the first time. Its sad that our fans would do that. Deron has said nothing but good things about Utah and its fans, and he brought much entertainment to our lives during his time here. Deron elevated our city, team, and COACH with his hard work. He deserved a lot better from us.

None of us are saying D-Will is bad, we all know he is a great player but everyone here knows D-Will isn't coming back plus there is no way the Nets trade him back to us for cheap..
 
Probably the biggest reason the Jazz won't go after Deron is that he is not worth the contract he is going to get. He's seeking the max (again) and will get it from someone. The Jazz aren't going to pay that much for him. I would love for him to come back, but not at that price.

And then there are the million other reasons it won't happen.

Agreed here.
Although it would be great to get the D-Will back that had a great attitude, and could seemingly run our team to the playoffs.... but..

Deron just isn't the leader we thought he was....
As soon as Boozer was out of the picture, he seemed to fold.
I like Williams as a person a lot, but I just don't think he's the kind of guy that can lead a team.
He would be great on this team with a more vocal/dominate coach, but I really don't think there would be any leadership in the Corbin/Williams combo.

I'm looking to Favors, Kanter, Millsap, and Harris to be the leaders of this team in the future.
Let Harris's contract expire and resign him to a cheaper contract, freeing up space to bring in maybe a better point guard, or other shooters of course.

Max payed point guards will not win championships without your Kobe's or Lebron's of the league.
 
Of course we would be better with DWill. I'm just saying that Greens proposed method of attaining him was completely and totally idiotic.
 
Agreed here.
Although it would be great to get the D-Will back that had a great attitude, and could seemingly run our team to the playoffs.... but..

Deron just isn't the leader we thought he was....
As soon as Boozer was out of the picture, he seemed to fold.
I like Williams as a person a lot, but I just don't think he's the kind of guy that can lead a team.
He would be great on this team with a more vocal/dominate coach, but I really don't think there would be any leadership in the Corbin/Williams combo.

I'm looking to Favors, Kanter, Millsap, and Harris to be the leaders of this team in the future.
Let Harris's contract expire and resign him to a cheaper contract, freeing up space to bring in maybe a better point guard, or other shooters of course.

Max payed point guards will not win championships without your Kobe's or Lebron's of the league.

Was Deron the problem or was it Jefferson? Deron had been on a team with a lot of talented players, who played great in a system and who PASSED the ball. Boozer, Memo, AK were all very good second tier players. Deron never had a true sidekick. How would you feel playing on a team with lots of talent who ran the offense, then losing all of that and having it replaced with Al Jefferson? You would be pissed as well. Your offense went from options, motion and success to everyone standing around watching Jefferson shoot less than 50%. If I was Deron, I'd be pissed, I would quit running the offense, and I would take shots when I felt like it as well. He is better than Al. If the offense is to be ran through anyone, it should have been Deron and not Al.

I blame last year 100% on the Jazz obtaining Al Jefferson.
 
Agreed here.
Although it would be great to get the D-Will back that had a great attitude, and could seemingly run our team to the playoffs.... but..

Deron just isn't the leader we thought he was....
As soon as Boozer was out of the picture, he seemed to fold.
I like Williams as a person a lot, but I just don't think he's the kind of guy that can lead a team.
He would be great on this team with a more vocal/dominate coach, but I really don't think there would be any leadership in the Corbin/Williams combo.

I'm looking to Favors, Kanter, Millsap, and Harris to be the leaders of this team in the future.
Let Harris's contract expire and resign him to a cheaper contract, freeing up space to bring in maybe a better point guard, or other shooters of course.

Max payed point guards will not win championships without your Kobe's or Lebron's of the league.

Well silencer, I like what you got to say in the Generak forum, but this is a terrible basketball take. Deron didnt fold when Boozer left. The Jazz were just a crappy team when KOC went out and got Bell and Jefferson. You know, the two guys that still suck and no one wants around here. A point guard is as only as good as the players you put around them. Do you forget that Deron was the leader before the team got blown up? Deron can lead a team to win just fine if he is on a good team. There is only about 2-3 players in this league that can carry a bad team, otherwise you have to have good talent around your stars in order for them to shine.
 
Of course we would be better with DWill. I'm just saying that Greens proposed method of attaining him was completely and totally idiotic.

Obviously Green isnt suggesting his trade idea is THEE way to do it. I think he us just merely suggesting some way of doing it, and it doesnt matter which way, just do it. That has been his theme if you havent noticed. But everyone seems to focus on Dwill being a bad person and making up reasons why we shouldnt go after him. Its just like all the suggested Al trades. I dont think people care much how he is traded, just do it. Either one of those trades if they came down I am sure they would look nothing like anything anyone has suggested. We should just kill two birds with one stone. Dump Al for a pick and cap space then sign Deron. I wouldnt want to give up Birks fir him either if we can get him without giving anything up. He is a free agent you know.

I dont agree with green how he suggested we do it, or if its even possible. I agree 100% that we should try at least. Anyone saying we shouldnt is just plain stupid.

Kevin O Connor should be fired if he doesnt at least ask Derons agent what he thinks.
 
Obviously Green isnt suggesting his trade idea is THEE way to do it. I think he us just merely suggesting some way of doing it, and it doesnt matter which way, just do it. That has been his theme if you havent noticed. But everyone seems to focus on Dwill being a bad person and making up reasons why we shouldnt go after him. Its just like all the suggested Al trades. I dont think people care much how he is traded, just do it. Either one of those trades if they came down I am sure they would look nothing like anything anyone has suggested. We should just kill two birds with one stone. Dump Al for a pick and cap space then sign Deron. I wouldnt want to give up Birks fir him either if we can get him without giving anything up. He is a free agent you know.

I dont agree with green how he suggested we do it, or if its even possible. I agree 100% that we should try at least. Anyone saying we shouldnt is just plain stupid.

Kevin O Connor should be fired if he doesnt at least ask Derons agent what he thinks.

Easier said then done.
 
Of course we should try to get Dwill, it's a no brainer. Maybe I should start making threads about how KOC should start going after LeBron and Kevin Durant, it won't make it any more likely that it will happen. Deron isn't coming back here, it's time to get over it.
 
How many threads re: Deron coming back to Utah are you going to start - and change the titles around??

F*** man.
 
Since everyone is posting their fantasy scenarios for this summer, and most of them involve the Jazz giving up the flexibility they have worked so hard to obtain for a washed up, soft euro, and a 40 year old that relies on quickness, here is what an intelligent GM would do.

One - get Deron. There are four possibilities for Deron this summer. Dallas, LA, Portland, Brooklyn. Here are the pros and cons of each:

Brooklyn: You are starting over. You have nothing, you have to hope that NJ gets the #1 pick in the draft, or you are going to have another year like the past year. You do have more marketing chances in Brooklyn, but is it worth another 2-3 years of not being any good? And don't think Howard is ending up there. There are rumors that LA would give up Bynum, some have even said the Heat are considering Wade and Bosh for Howard. Howard isn't ending up in Brooklyn.

LA/Dallas - Both aging teams. You will be joining a team with an aging superstar, and they both require the ball in their hands to be effective. Do you really think an old Kobe/Dirk will be good enough to battle OKC and SA? Both are very talented teams, with a lot of young talent. You can go to Dal/LA, be a 3-4 seed, then watch as you have to rebuild that franchise. And don't buy into the "these owners are rich, they will pay the luxury tax to win titles." Is that why Cuban let Chandler and Barea walk for nothing, and LA shipped off Odom for nothing? They are not willing to spend whatever to win titles.

Portland - This is the same situation as Brooklyn, but Portland has two lottery picks instead of one. There are some pluses to Portland though. You do have Aldridge to play with. He is a very talented big man. BUT, it is a small market, and there is no stability there at all. There is a good chance those two draft picks don't work out, and you are stuck in a crappy city with a crappy team. At least Brooklyn is a good city to live in.

FINALLY, your U-T-A-H J-A-Z-Z!!!

This team already has a young, talented core that compliments you perfectly. The Jazz have a budding star, that needs a great pg to give him the ball. The Jazz are vastly improved defensively. With Favors, Millsap and Kanter down low, you have amazing rebounding, toughness, and shotblocking. You have athletic bigs who are willing to play help defense. If you think Stockton to Malone was fun, picture a more athletically gifted Malone, with a Stockton more willing to take over games and control things.

You have a solid wing player in Gordon Hayward. The kid plays great defense, is a solid shooter, has shown a willingness to improve. You have a very good backup pg in Harris, who can knock down the three and play beside you.

You still have your house in Utah. All you have to do, is move furniture back. You have a young, talented team, with flexibility to add more talent around you. If Deron wants to win as much as he possibly can, Utah gives him the best chance to do so.

So, how does Utah get Deron? Simple. They trade Jefferson and Burks to NJ for Deron in a S&T. We get Deron, NJ gets a very talented offensive player, who NJ can then spend a year and see if they want to build around Jefferson. If not, they get a lot of cap space next year to go after a Harden or other max FA. They also get a long term asset in Alec Burks. Burks is a player with loads of potential, and NJ could potentially build their whole team around. Throw in a big from this upcoming draft and Lopez and Brooks, and NJ suddenly has cap room, and a lot of young talent.

Why does Utah do this? They get a superstar in Utah. They have never been able to sign a FA superstar before, and they have now broken that stigma. They give up Al, but they were probably going to trade him for other garbage, let him walk or amnesty him anyways. They do have to give up Burks, who has potential, but Burks could just as easily bust, or pull a Carmelo when his contract is coming to an end. You are trading potential for a proven, young superstar (instead of an old euro, who has flopped the last two years).

Utah's roster now looks like this:

PG - Deron, Harris, Watson
SG - Hayward, Harris
SF - FA/Carroll
PF - Millsap, Favors, Kanter, Evans
C - Favors, Kanter

This team is young, deep, and they still have financial flexibility to bring in an AK, or other shooter or both. If the Jazz somehow get lucky and get GS's pick, then they can add a shooter through the draft. We are still young, we still have options, and we now have a core (Deron, Hayward, Favors, Kanter) that Utah can build around for the next 5-8 years instead of 1-2. This is a much better idea than Nash and Pau.

When are you going to tell us what an Intelligent gm would do?
 
Of course we should try to get Dwill, it's a no brainer. Maybe I should start making threads about how KOC should start going after LeBron and Kevin Durant, it won't make it any more likely that it will happen. Deron isn't coming back here, it's time to get over it.

Ya because going after Deron is the same as going after Lebron and Durant. The circumstances are exactly the same right? Cmon, you are smarter than that.

And yes, if Lebron and Durant were free agents we should try. We shouldnt put our heads down and say it can never happen. Sadly I know this is how KOC operates. He doesnt even try to do anything big. Its all about playing it safe. Cuz god forbid we make a mistake, miss the playoffs, and end up with the number 1 pick in any draft. Well that would just wreck this franchise, wouldnt it?
 
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